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Postby the lynx » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 9:32 am

mrbakchormee wrote:I guess it just concerns me that my time would be spent doing drills and being yelled at to clean and assemble my rifle rather than treating wounds, riding in the back of an ambulance around Singapore as part of an emergency response unit.


Correct me if I am wrong but not all enlisted men go to SAF right? Some go to Police Force while some other go to Civil Defence Force. And which unit you go to also depends on few factors.

For example, I know a dude who is in SAF in medic unit. If this is what you're looking for and they have a system in place to identify worthy people to be in certain units suitable to their vocation, then I guess you shouldn't worry about it right?

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Postby mrbakchormee » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:04 am

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mrbakchormee wrote:I guess it just concerns me that my time would be spent doing drills and being yelled at to clean and assemble my rifle rather than treating wounds, riding in the back of an ambulance around Singapore as part of an emergency response unit.


Correct me if I am wrong but not all enlisted men go to SAF right? Some go to Police Force while some other go to Civil Defence Force. And which unit you go to also depends on few factors.

For example, I know a dude who is in SAF in medic unit. If this is what you're looking for and they have a system in place to identify worthy people to be in certain units suitable to their vocation, then I guess you shouldn't worry about it right?


Yeah I had heard about that but there hasn't been much re-assurance on that :|

I'm not sure if that's true or not that I WILL be put to good use in such a vocation.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 7:09 pm

OP

First of all I do not participate either in verbal , contract or otherwise in illegal means. So do not PM me for something that it aint gonna happen.
I have received three PM , I am not sure who as I scan and delete cos it is a waste of time to reply

Your question is very simple to answer
1, You are SGer and now 16. Once you finish the diploma course either in the 20s or even 24, you will automatically serve NS unless you have sexual orientation !!
2. OZ Uni courses will require you to have student pass NOT PR but it can lead to that. OZ gahmen has an agreement with SG Gahmen NOT to accept student from SG whom is liable for NS. Hence if you go to a local Oz Uni, it aint gonna happen. Unless of course you go on private institution.
3. You default or disappear aint gonna happen too once you are at this age band. When you leave for OZ, you will need EP . Moreover your SG PP is only valid for 2 years on a 5 year PP
4. Your Parent will be fined $3k for colluding with your disappearance and not to mention the constant harrassment on your disappearance.
5. You will be extradited unless you are a white horse but rest assured , many have tried and many have failed. It will bite you in the bum years to come.
Your thinking is very irrational due to your young age and very selfish. If I am your parent, I will give you a nice kick at the back side.
BTW many SG student did not make it in OZ too. This country is losing control. Jobs are scarce.
What those Ozzies presenters showed you are all BS.
You know why ? Cos my daughters are studying here.

Think before you do something stupid so help me GOD
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

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Postby poodlek » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 8:34 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
Your question is very simple to answer
1, You are SGer and now 16. Once you finish the diploma course either in the 20s or even 24, you will automatically serve NS unless you have sexual orientation !!


What's this about sexual orientation? Are you excused from NS if you are gay?? How do they decide who's gay and who's not?

NB to OP: suck it up and do your NS. You have your whole life ahead of you, two years of service to your country is not going to ruin it. Trying to skip out on it, however, may do just that. Don't be a dunce.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 9:08 pm

There are gays in the military here in Singapore. This I know as my former boss was a flaming gay but did his NS (He's now in his fourties so may have finished his reservist duties as well). I know it for a fact as I'm the one who had to keep writing his excuses for not going to reservist camp.

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 10:15 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:There are gays in the military here in Singapore. This I know as my former boss was a flaming gay but did his NS (He's now in his fourties so may have finished his reservist duties as well). I know it for a fact as I'm the one who had to keep writing his excuses for not going to reservist camp.


I know several gay men who have done NS, all are reservists now.

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Postby the lynx » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:00 pm

Could it be that MS was referring to sex-change?

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:20 pm

the lynx wrote:Could it be that MS was referring to sex-change?


Yeah, good call.

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Postby poodlek » Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:35 pm

the lynx wrote:Could it be that MS was referring to sex-change?

That makes a lot more sense. It would be a little tougher to make a false claim on that point.

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Postby thismyvoice » Tue, 20 Mar 2012 3:14 pm

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mrbakchormee wrote:I guess it just concerns me that my time would be spent doing drills and being yelled at to clean and assemble my rifle rather than treating wounds, riding in the back of an ambulance around Singapore as part of an emergency response unit.


Correct me if I am wrong but not all enlisted men go to SAF right? Some go to Police Force while some other go to Civil Defence Force. And which unit you go to also depends on few factors.

For example, I know a dude who is in SAF in medic unit. If this is what you're looking for and they have a system in place to identify worthy people to be in certain units suitable to their vocation, then I guess you shouldn't worry about it right?


Most Chinese will end up in SAF. If you are Malay, good chance you will be posted to Police Force.

BMT is uncomfortable, but you have not seen anything till you are posted to a combat unit. But hey, it is National Service and you are suppose to fight for your country. The training is suppose to toughen you up so that you can work under adverse condition. Being in the army is not only about drills and cleaning rifles. There is a lot more to it.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 20 Mar 2012 3:54 pm

JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:There are gays in the military here in Singapore. This I know as my former boss was a flaming gay but did his NS (He's now in his fourties so may have finished his reservist duties as well). I know it for a fact as I'm the one who had to keep writing his excuses for not going to reservist camp.


I know several gay men who have done NS, all are reservists now.


A Singaporean colleague here suggested an alternate to avoiding NS .. have a break -literally .. ;) like in Loose an eye or a leg .. or a hand .. ;)

Well, gays, as per him and my other Singapore friends, end up in Desk Jobs, not in Front line .. so it couldn't be too tough yeah ?

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 20 Mar 2012 4:03 pm

ecureilx wrote:
JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:There are gays in the military here in Singapore. This I know as my former boss was a flaming gay but did his NS (He's now in his fourties so may have finished his reservist duties as well). I know it for a fact as I'm the one who had to keep writing his excuses for not going to reservist camp.


I know several gay men who have done NS, all are reservists now.


A Singaporean colleague here suggested an alternate to avoiding NS .. have a break -literally .. ;) like in Loose an eye or a leg .. or a hand .. ;)

Well, gays, as per him and my other Singapore friends, end up in Desk Jobs, not in Front line .. so it couldn't be too tough yeah ?


An arm or a leg just to avoid NS?! Wrong priorities bro... :shock:

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Postby volki » Thu, 22 Mar 2012 8:27 pm

My husband just got ep in singapore and we're in the process of moving from oz to there. Have you visited australia before?? Long term? Have u worked here? Its not all its cracked up to be. Even if you go thru uni here have you considered how you'd remain in oz? What kind of work enviroment u'll be in? Being a nurse in singapore may not be the same if at all anything alike!
Coming from someone currently living in oz and moving there, u should seriously reconsider cutting your ties to your family and country for a place u know little about.

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Postby taxico » Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:57 pm

my reply is NOT TO PUT YOU DOWN. it is to WAKE YOU UP.

mrbakchormee wrote:...I've always felt I would enjoy life more overseas (which is why I came to SGexpats originally to browse, wanted to meet foreign friends),
and I wouldn't miss Singapore per se.

I know that even 35 years down the line, I decide "oh what a bright day it is! Let me fly to Country A!" and it so happens to have a stop-over in Singapore I would be deep-fried, but i'm ready to sit on this for awhile and think about it at the least.

I guess right now, SMS, my main concern is that I have my O levels this year, and a few interviews with representatives from colleges overseas in the coming weeks, and like I read before "the sticky issue is when the kids are 18 and they have so many decisions to make".

I know many people just suck it up and serve their NS because of this and that but ultimately, I wouldn't want to call Singapore my homeland (no offense!), and I know many of the consequences now like,

...at the end of the day it's my hand that's holding the passport at that checkpoint, and to go or not is my choice to make and live with..

I will definitely reflect on this further and make an even more informative choice, thanks.

In light of this, I would like to enquire how National Service is like?

I would not be so against it if I could just go in and be a medic, and I hear your education plays a big part in your vocation.
So, if I have a good educational history as a nurse, how would it play out?

I hear of friends of friends who are currently serving and they talk about "Tekong" and sleepless nights and "being treated like shit", yet I see camps all over the country!
But all any of them talk about is being in "Tekong"!

I guess it just concerns me that my time would be spent doing drills and being yelled at to clean and assemble my rifle rather than treating wounds, riding in the back of an ambulance around Singapore as part of an emergency response unit.
Not a day goes by now that I don't wonder about my N.S future, at such a juncture with my dreams and aspirations.

I know I share a very common pickle and it gets this way for almost everybody but unlike some (I emphasize 'some') of the "almost everybody", I DO know where I want to go, what I want to work as and who I want to become, and in all my planning Singapore just doesn't pop up on the list at all..there's certainly a shortage in nurses worldwide, and only very special reasons would involve Singapore but nothing would be to be set in stone, and it upsets me that even then, I still have such obligations to the country!.. :???:


you're 16. you don't know j@ckshit and you don't know what you want. you should spend some time talking to nurses first, to know what life as a nurse is like.

if you want to work in australia, you need to join some australian forums and ask about life as a chinese nurse in australia.

you may think you know WHAT you want, but on a scale of things and to quote adam sandler in a non-comedy movie REIGN OVER ME: you're just a baby.

however mature you may think you are, you still have a lot of growing up to do.

you don't want to leave, and then regret, and then have to face the horrible consequence of your actions.

i don't know what sort of friends you have in the military, but life is not all sh!t and tekong. life is as productive as you make it to be. i know people who raise their babies or complete academic courses during their NS (well, it was 2.5 years during my time).

people get "treated like shit" in the military because... it's the military. they just feel like it's "shit" because most of today's young adults are too soft. they need to harden up.

i went to brunei and taiwan and thailand during my NS life. i sure didn't only talk about tekong although i went there for training many times. neither did my friends. but during BMT, that was all we knew so that was all we spoke about.

life as a military medic is not fun because it is not very "clinical." life as a nurse (especially in singapore hospitals) is also not fun. the path for you becoming a "nurse clinician" is extremely difficult. it is not simply completing a polytechnic diploma or university degree.

but i know it is not difficult to be posted out as a medic, especially if you have a nursing diploma under your belt. but don't expect emergency response unit or saving people like in COMBAT HOSPITAL on tv.

if you know what you want, and you're mature enough to think through all the consequence, you'll know that the path to what you want is not going to be easy. don't let avoiding a 2-year long NS make it even tougher...

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the lynx wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but not all enlisted men go to SAF right? Some go to Police Force while some other go to Civil Defence Force. And which unit you go to also depends on few factors.

For example, I know a dude who is in SAF in medic unit. If this is what you're looking for and they have a system in place to identify worthy people to be in certain units suitable to their vocation, then I guess you shouldn't worry about it right?


Yeah I had heard about that but there hasn't been much re-assurance on that :|

I'm not sure if that's true or not that I WILL be put to good use in such a vocation.


ethnicity and qualifications have a lot to do with becoming a (junior) police officer or SCDF paramedic/firefighter.

mr bak, there is NOTHING guaranteed in life. there are no such thing as "re-assurance" in obtaining life's goals.

if you know what you want, then make sure you first complete your O's and get into the nursing diploma course.

then when you're in, make sure you successfully complete your polytechnic diploma.

when you've done so, you will be in a better position to try to get a position as a military medic or paramedic for NS.

when you've finished NS, you'd have more discipline to continue with what you want to do.

i wish you all the best - the world does need more good nurses and i hope you'll become one.


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