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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 27 Mar 2012 6:47 am

revhappy, if that's the case, then the Indian masters "Entitlement Complex" is even harder to understand. Don't you think? That little bit of information makes their situation even worse when they come here so full of themselves.

Masters degrees here are pretty common as well, but REAL ones.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 27 Mar 2012 8:52 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:revhappy, if that's the case, then the Indian masters "Entitlement Complex" is even harder to understand. Don't you think? That little bit of information makes their situation even worse when they come here so full of themselves.

Masters degrees here are pretty common as well, but REAL ones.


Maybe because those self-entitled douchebags think they're getting away with murder. They're probably thinking they got their degrees in less time than most should and hence they're better than other people.

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 27 Mar 2012 9:09 am

revhappy wrote:
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sujji wrote:Hi,
My wife PR application got rejected after being in process for 15months. The rejection letter doesn’t state any time frame to apply again, can anyone advice me whether I can appeal against the rejection or submit new application after 6months.
Brief history of my case,
1. I am PR since 2009.
2. My wife is in Singapore since Jun 2010 after our marriage in May 2010
3. After her 6months stay in Singapore, submitted PR application on Dec 2010 (blunder decision)
4. We are Indian and my basic is 5K
To appeal against the rejection, I am planning to show 20% increment that I got in last yr and the part time PhD program that I am going to enroll in August.


If they didn't give you a time frame when you could apply, you can just about forget it. If you increment was 20% that might help, but a part time PhD you haven't even started, well, let's say they'll be polite and won't laugh in your face. Unless you are holding the sheepskin, it is worth absolutely nothing. I am assuming you already have a masters. If you had a masters and were only making 4K It's surprising you even got PR yourself, truth be known. Had you made application today for PR for yourself, I have a feeling the outcome would have been very different and disappointing.

Sorry, but that's honestly the way I see your situation at the moment. You have been here 3 years with a masters and only making 5K?


SMS, just fyi, a masters in India is not really such a big thing, as most bachelor degrees are just 3 yrs, Its only an Engineering degree that is 4 years and some other professional degrees like medical etc.

People who have done a normal bachelor degree would have no choice but to do a masters degree as a normal bachelor degree would only get you a call center job.

A 3 years masters in Computer applications degree, although a masters, is more often than not considered inferior to a Bachelors degree in Computers(or any stream) Engineering.

Also getting a masters degree in India doesn't break the bank like it does in the US, UK or Aus.

Thats some trivia for you about the Indian masters :)


:o

Goodbye to the good name of Bachelor's Degree itself...

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 27 Mar 2012 9:54 am

Again it all depends where you had your Masters from. My son has gone thru Masters and doing his PHD in UK.
Yes I agree with Revhappy on this issues.A Masters from India and A Masters from UK will have two different sets of salary entitlement
My son did con-joint for his Bachelors and always tell me that Indian from India applying for work in UK are always srutinise for their qualification.
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Postby revhappy » Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:21 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:revhappy, if that's the case, then the Indian masters "Entitlement Complex" is even harder to understand. Don't you think? That little bit of information makes their situation even worse when they come here so full of themselves.

Masters degrees here are pretty common as well, but REAL ones.


Yupp fully agree. Given the quality of the masters, the entitlement complex is totally misplaced, unless its someone who is has done masters in the UK or US. All that said, we know there are exceptions to everything. I am just talking about the majority. Want to clarify that before someone starts flaming me :)

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Postby Harsha » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 1:55 pm

Yupp fully agree. Given the quality of the masters, the entitlement complex is totally misplaced, unless its someone who is has done masters in the UK or US. All that said, we know there are exceptions to everything. I am just talking about the majority. Want to clarify that before someone starts flaming me


Unnecessary generalization about US/UK. There are plenty of little known Universities in US and UK who offer admissions to no better candidates from the same pool of people in India or elsewhere who could self-finance their education.

The better way to put the issue in persceptive, as SMS said, is not all MASTERS are REAL.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 2:53 pm

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 3:18 pm

Harsha wrote:
Yupp fully agree. Given the quality of the masters, the entitlement complex is totally misplaced, unless its someone who is has done masters in the UK or US. All that said, we know there are exceptions to everything. I am just talking about the majority. Want to clarify that before someone starts flaming me


Unnecessary generalization about US/UK. There are plenty of little known Universities in US and UK who offer admissions to no better candidates from the same pool of people in India or elsewhere who could self-finance their education.

The better way to put the issue in persceptive, as SMS said, is not all MASTERS are REAL.


I knew someone will come to flame and hence I put the caveat emptor there :roll:

According to what I read when I was considering higher education seriously, even the 2nd and 3rd tier universities offer good quality education in the US/UK. In India its only the IITs and IIMs and a few others can match.

What works for India is not the quality of the institutes themselves, but the fact that there are so few good institutes in India and so much competition that only top notch brightest guys get in there and naturally they will do well regardless of how good the institute is.

The second or third rung just provide paper degrees. The same cannot be said about US/UK second and third rung.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 3:46 pm

Good example of this is medical schools. Singapore doesn't recognize any Indian medical schools or dental schools. In fact there is only one medical teaching facility in Asia that Singapore does recognize and that is in HK.

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 4:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Good example of this is medical schools. Singapore doesn't recognize any Indian medical schools or dental schools. In fact there is only one medical teaching facility in Asia that Singapore does recognize and that is in HK.


Does it recognise it's own med/dent degrees? I mean if you were a foreigner and graduated in one of those from a SGn uni would MoM recognise you as suitably qualified?

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 5:08 pm

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:Good example of this is medical schools. Singapore doesn't recognize any Indian medical schools or dental schools. In fact there is only one medical teaching facility in Asia that Singapore does recognize and that is in HK.


Does it recognise it's own med/dent degrees? I mean if you were a foreigner and graduated in one of those from a SGn uni would MoM recognise you as suitably qualified?


Hmm... Interesting question. Especially if you do not receive any scholarship from the government to study here...

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Postby sluggo45 » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:08 pm

Guess I will have a long wait before I know the outcome of my PR status. Its only 4 months and yet its stressful on my wife who's currently in Singapore.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:13 pm

Yeah, sluggo45, it is a good possibility. Hopefully you wife is already a PR and earning in excess of 4K/mo. Even then, it's possible that it may take a while if at all if you happen to be from the subcontinent. It's rough, but you must remember, Singapore does not owe any foreigner the right of permanent abode here. Singapore has to protect it's interests and it's own citizens first. Before you down Singapore, ask yourself how easy would it be for a Singaporean to get the same rights in your home country. Sometimes, if you try the shoe on the other foot, you will understand the problems.

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Postby nanamar » Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:20 am

From what I know, all graduates (local and international) from the list of Singapore based degree programmes (http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.sg/c ... Degree.pdf) are recognized as local-trained doctors and given full registration upon completion of degree and necessary housemanship.

Regarding the doctors with foreign qualifications, there is a list of approved universities from across the world ( http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.sg/c ... ations.pdf ). Graduates from these universities would be given conditional registration first before being granted full registration.

You are allowed to have an independent practice only after obtaining full registration.

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JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Good example of this is medical schools. Singapore doesn't recognize any Indian medical schools or dental schools. In fact there is only one medical teaching facility in Asia that Singapore does recognize and that is in HK.


Does it recognise it's own med/dent degrees? I mean if you were a foreigner and graduated in one of those from a SGn uni would MoM recognise you as suitably qualified?


Hmm... Interesting question. Especially if you do not receive any scholarship from the government to study here...

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Postby sluggo45 » Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:32 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Yeah, sluggo45, it is a good possibility. Hopefully you wife is already a PR and earning in excess of 4K/mo. Even then, it's possible that it may take a while if at all if you happen to be from the subcontinent. It's rough, but you must remember, Singapore does not owe any foreigner the right of permanent abode here. Singapore has to protect it's interests and it's own citizens first. Before you down Singapore, ask yourself how easy would it be for a Singaporean to get the same rights in your home country. Sometimes, if you try the shoe on the other foot, you will understand the problems.


Thanks SMS! I'm from the US and my wife is SG citizen. I guess my review will take longer since we do not meet the main 3 basic criterias as mentioned by SG PM :
1) number of years of marriage (less that a year)
2) children who are SG citizen (none, since we are distance apart)
3) number of years in SG (none as well)

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