HELP!: ex-SPR, Employment Pass, & NS matter...

[hornbill97]

I've read few forum posts around SPR and NS liability but still can't seem to get the exact answer I'm after - even after contacting both MOM & NS directly. OK. My background first. I'm a Malaysian citizen, married to a Malaysian wife, registered my marriage in SG then in Malaysia - as we both once worked and live in SG at the time. And yes, we were both SPR (1st generation).

After 6 years living in SG as SPR, we both decided to move to Australia (we also have AU PR). Main reason was because we need more space to start planning for a family and I needed to try expand/develop my career in a different work environment. Fast forward, our 1st baby born in AU but we got him a Malaysian citizen instead, though he qualify for an AU citizen pretty much right away.
Before we left SG, we both renounced our PR, withdrawed our CPF to help pay for our property down payment (property are expensive here).

My wife and I both have parents, which are getting older each year. I have personally lived in 4 countries so far and lived away from home for most of my life. My wife is close to her family and we thought we should review our situation, once again. I also felt that home is drawing me closer and closer each year...

I have 3 options. 1st, stay put in AU for another X years, go with the flow and decide a bit later. 2nd, try find a job in M’sia (KL, Penang). Or 3rd, try get a job back in SG, get employer who is willing to sponsor employment pass, live in Johor to stay close to both our families.
I contacted 2 parties, MOM and NS. Some SG recruiters told me that SG will ‘blacklist’ ex-SPR and stop them from returning to SG to work under any kind of visa. I said what???



Summary of MOM response to my queries on employment and education for my kids:-
“We wish to inform that foreigners/ex-Singapore PR who wish to take up employment in Singapore must have valid Work Passes. The foreigner must first obtain a job offer from a Singapore-registered company who must apply for an appropriate Work Pass for the foreigner.

For P1, P2, Q1 Employment Pass holders, and S Pass holders with a fixed monthly salary of at least $2,800 may apply for Dependant?s Passes (DP) for their:

- spouses
- unmarried or legally adopted children under 21 years of age

You may click on the below link to view the document required to apply for DP:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/ ... quirements

We wish to inform you that if the DP holder wishes to study, there is no need to seek approval from Work Pass Division. You may wish to note that certain Institutions of Learning require full-time foreign students to hold student passes while studying; hence you may wish to check with the relevant institution for clarifications.

Interested applicants can go online to do a Self-Assessment Test (SAT) at http://sat.mom.gov.sg/. The SAT will provide interested applicants with a preliminary indication of the likelihood of them obtaining an Employment or S Pass, and is not an actual application or renewal of an Employment or S Pass.

Actual applications are based on the merits of each applicant on a case-to-case basis, subject to approval. We will not be able to comment on whether an applicant will be able to obtain an work passes before the application is submitted to us.”

[zzm9980]

I'm not an expert, but have seen these questions answered individually enough in the forums to summarize them:


No, your son will only be liable for NS if he is a 2nd-gen PR or citizen.

You shouldn't be blacklisted from an EP, but it may factor slightly against you. No one except MOM knows for sure.

You definitely won't be able to get PR again unless you redeposit every penny you withdrew from CPF. But I don't think you care.

Also, If Singapore catches wind you had an AU PR while you had your SG PR, that will also look very bad on any future PR applications. In general countries don't like you to have PR status unless you're actually intending to stay there permanently. (That's what the *P* means!) They may also view you as someone who abuses "the system" for other applications, including your EP.

[Mad Scientist]

I can only summarize this after reading thru your post. For whatever reasons that you have potrayed, I can only see one thing, you are milking the system everywhere you go and when the honey dry out, you dump the hive.
I think you are no different from those that comes from the subcontinent.

[hornbill97]

Thanks zz.

Maddy, i'm a bit offended with what you said. I grew up in a poor family, studied my ass off and work hard to make a living, live by the system wherever i go, paid my taxes, feed my family with my hard earn money, pay respect to my elder and go home each year during festivals, CNY.

Like the many Malaysians, i left temporarily because i want a better life for my family and for economic reasons.

People relocate between places for many personal reasons, although often an economic ones. Singaporeans living overseas, then come back to live close to families, Aussies, Americans, British, they all do that. You're saying that the billions that live my kind of life are milking the system?

Sounds like you almost call me a robber there. I thought this is an expat forum where i expect this kind of topic are 'normal' and equally deserve a more decent response. Maybe i was wrong.

Imagine a world without migrants....economically and socially. Can you guarantee that your kids, or grand kids will not live my kind of life in the future? I can't even tell whether it's going to rain tomorrow or not.

[Mad Scientist]

Upset ? Good !! Coz blunt truth is hard to swallow !!

Look, if you said you came from a poor family, aren't we or most of us all came from poor families. I started working when you were not even born !! Let alone wearing diapers.

Yeah you wanna run becoz life in OZ is not that cosy anymore !! Qantas is going to cut 500 jobs, Rio Tinto not doing too well. Four major banks namely ASB, ANZ, Commonwealth Banks and National are shedding jobs faster than lemming a lamb. Do I need to tell you more ? As long as this Gillard and Tony Abbot is running ping pong game, all Ozzies will suffer !!

So don't come and tell me about your poor background coz it aint gonna change my view when you start licking PR stickers on your PP.

Tell me if I am wrong ? Common give me your best shot and yes, this is an expat forum and yes, we have seen a lot from our sub continent friends behaving like this or else why did SG Gahmen change the PR policy and EP guideline one month after last GE?

Need I say more?

[hornbill97]

Maddy...hold your horses there please. I came here to seek answers and opinions, not trying to pick a fight.

You're not wrong about the jobs and politics but no country is immune to these things. Europe is in trouble, US patchy, China has lots of cash but can be quite reserve with their govn policies. Each country has it's pros and cons.

Govns around the world change their immigration policies all the time, not just SG. That's just what govn do.

You're my elder, a much learnt and wiser person than I am, so I don't dare to expect you to change your view at all. Perhaps you can give us the young ones some life pointers/tips?

I'm actually glad to see ties between M'sia & SG are improving. Many singaporeans live in JB for economic reason, help spur the local economy. Why can't we return the favor?

Btw, my job is safe but I can't guarantee that forever. Not even if I work in SG or MY.

[Mad Scientist]

I'm actually glad to see ties between M'sia & SG are improving. Many singaporeans live in JB for economic reason, help spur the local economy. Why can't we return the favor?
Really good ties ? It is all economics down to the wire
Whose favour ?

Btw, my job is safe but I can't guarantee that forever. Not even if I work in SG or MY.

First all return back all the CPF monies to the last cents. Then on apply EP . At this current times , you are in for long queue