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Postby BnJoe » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 1:29 am

@YankStuckinSuisse:

I'm confused, are you in Taiwan now as your location says or in Switzerland? If you're in Taiwan, it should be pretty similar. Yes, there can be racial prejudices. I haven't lived and worked in Singapore yet, but I think in terms of the salary, it would be better if you work for a MNC. In general, there are less blacks in Asia than in the US or even Europe, which doesn't make it much easier to leave out these prejudices.

That said, my wife is Chinese and living in Germany doesn't make her much comfortable either. I think you'll have to try out for yourself.

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Postby YankStuckinSuiss » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 1:49 am

BnJoe wrote:@YankStuckinSuisse:

I'm confused, are you in Taiwan now as your location says or in Switzerland? If you're in Taiwan, it should be pretty similar. Yes, there can be racial prejudices. I haven't lived and worked in Singapore yet, but I think in terms of the salary, it would be better if you work for a MNC. In general, there are less blacks in Asia than in the US or even Europe, which doesn't make it much easier to leave out these prejudices.

That said, my wife is Chinese and living in Germany doesn't make her much comfortable either. I think you'll have to try out for yourself.


I left Switzerland about 3 months ago. I'm staying in Taiwan right now, but targeting jobs in Singapore. I figured it would be easier to be in the region. Next month I am thinking about relocating to Malaysia.

I know Asia pretty well, but it is not like there are many black faces in Switzerland, lets be honest. I might see a black guy once a day if that, outside Zurich or Geneve and people do stare, because it is uncommon...then again people stare anyway for various reasons. Most of the blacks in Switzerland are refugees or illegals which does not help with stereotypes.

I've lived in Mainland China and Japan as well and traveled to a few other nations in the region in the last decade. Mainland China is by far the worse as far as any type of ignorance is concerned...well...even worse than S.Korea. lol

Yeah I do not envy your wife being Asian in Germany, most Asian women, at least in Southern Germany or Switzerland are assumed to be mail order brides from Thailand of the Philippines...but there are stereotypes everywhere...I realize that.

I am only targeting MNCs, just as I worked for them in Switzerland. In Europe I had no choice, don't speak German well enough to work in an office, and in Switzerland, some places even require you speak Swiss German (just to discriminate against Germans in the hiring process). :o
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Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 1:53 am

Since there has been no more authoritative response, I'll throw in my 2C.

The 'Entitlement complex' is one apparently uniquely adopted by people from the Subcontinent who have spent some time working in the US, albeit often in nondescript jobs.

They come to believe that others should do what is demanded of them, providing help, answering questions, Googling and so on, and these self-anointed demi-gods are likely to boil with a fury when this white-glove on demand service is not forthcoming.

Everyone and everything else but these people's bathroom mirrors' sees these people as common or garden people from the Subcontinent, therefore because of their most out-of-culture behaviour, they are routinely considered simply obnoxious and arrogant ar$eholes.

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Postby BnJoe » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 3:48 am

YankStuckinSuiss wrote:I know Asia pretty well, but it is not like there are many black faces in Switzerland, lets be honest. I might see a black guy once a day if that, outside Zurich or Geneve and people do stare, because it is uncommon...then again people stare anyway for various reasons. Most of the blacks in Switzerland are refugees or illegals which does not help with stereotypes.

I've lived in Mainland China and Japan as well and traveled to a few other nations in the region in the last decade. Mainland China is by far the worse as far as any type of ignorance is concerned...well...even worse than S.Korea. lol

Yeah I do not envy your wife being Asian in Germany, most Asian women, at least in Southern Germany or Switzerland are assumed to be mail order brides from Thailand of the Philippines...but there are stereotypes everywhere...I realize that.

I am only targeting MNCs, just as I worked for them in Switzerland. In Europe I had no choice, don't speak German well enough to work in an office, and in Switzerland, some places even require you speak Swiss German (just to discriminate against Germans in the hiring process). :o


True, in that sense Singapore is probably more open than China. And about the Asian women stereotypes... don't try to explain to anyone that she's way more qualified than most fools on the street and her tax pays two welfare recipients alone... :shock: which is why we're gonna leave soon as well.

So I wish you good luck for your job hunt, and may you be able to settle down at some point (seems like you have been on the move for quite some time now). And now enough of that off-topic :D

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:56 pm

JR8 wrote:Since there has been no more authoritative response, I'll throw in my 2C.

The 'Entitlement complex' is one apparently uniquely adopted by people from the Subcontinent who have spent some time working in the US, albeit often in nondescript jobs. ..


Beg to differ a wee bit .. and would like to quote what some lady from the Subcontinent wrote, in another place .. when asked about the 'entitlement complex .. '

yeah I should have gone through the older posts before threading one... but I really din't know vr to start my search with... felt totally blindfolded.... that too being in India is like staying in a huge protected nest... we the present generation din't have lots of exercises during our upbringing... be it depositing a cash in the bank... to that of finding ways and procedures to migrate... not to blame anyone... but we are responsible for not learning things.. anyways.. as I said, u have showed us the way vr to start... hope my hubby and I will trace out the rest... ...
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Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 3:52 pm

Doesn't explain why they can be so quick to get abusive when help isn't forthcoming.

I was more persuaded by the explanation of a few months ago, roughly, escape from India and make a few grand and suddenly they think they're stars of their own Bollywood films...

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Postby sparkling » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 4:15 pm

Why would being in a nondescript job lead someone to develop an entitlement complex?

I am inclined to think the entitlement complex personality developed way before then though you would think that a nondescript job would teach one to be more humble.

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Postby nakatago » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 4:19 pm

sparkling wrote:Why would being in a nondescript job lead someone to develop an entitlement complex?

I am inclined to think the entitlement complex personality developed way before then though you would think that a nondescript job would teach one to be more humble.


In OP's case, it's not the nondescript job per se but based on his second paragraph, having worked in New York--one of the US's financial and 'cultural ' center being an Indian citizen lead to the complex.

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 4:30 pm

Quite, it is not that being in a non-descript job leads to 'entitlement complex', rather it is that despite often having rather non-descript jobs they still often seem to form such a complex.

Just to be clear, I am not 'bashing' here in any shape or form. This complex is something we see manifest itself here time and again.

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 4:39 pm

JR8 wrote:Quite, it is not that being in a non-descript job leads to 'entitlement complex', rather it is that despite often having rather non-descript jobs they still often seem to form such a complex.

Just to be clear, I am not 'bashing' here in any shape or form. This complex is something we see manifest itself here time and again.


in some countries, when the songs also go like "we are all kings in motherland", everybody is a royalty .. and demand to be treated as such ... and trying to reason that the 'kingdom' isn't all over the world doesn't work that way ..

Like the chat I had with a visitor, who was mighty frothing mad with the way the famous Indian Phone shop in Little india had treated him - practically told him to get lost if the customer is not gonna buy NOW ..

Our visitor was like "whether I buy or not, he had no right to tell me off, and I had every right to ask for a demo and the shop guy had all the more need to sell me the phone .. and if back home, I would have shut down his shop in no time" .. I tried to reason saying that shop in question does bulk sales, and wait, the owner is also from back-home .. and nothing got into my visitors head .. until I said something like "probably you gotta stop demanding to be treated a royalty, and respect begets respect .. "

never heard anymore from that visitor anymore ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 4:48 pm

probably had a plane to catch......

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 5:04 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:probably had a plane to catch......


or he had the "runs" and had to run .. looking for a bum gun .. :) :)

It is quit funny to see people getting told off at that phone shop .. and switching to Punjabi doesn't win favours with the owner of the shop ..

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 5:05 pm

JR8 wrote:Doesn't explain why they can be so quick to get abusive when help isn't forthcoming.

I was more persuaded by the explanation of a few months ago, roughly, escape from India and make a few grand and suddenly they think they're stars of their own Bollywood films...


Spending time in India I realize exactly why they act like this. Those who do not serve, essentially expect to be served. We were touring our ODC (offshore development centers) at places like Infosys, Wipro, Satyam, etc. During lunch we'd have these elaborate affairs where for the 10 of us dining (as it was not simply "eating"), there were at least six servants. I'd want the local employees hold out there hands and expect the utensils placed into their hands. I reached over to pour myself some water, and was almost scolded*, and told that it is the servants responsibility to do that.

*She quickly held off on the actual 'scolding' as I represented one of their biggest clients, a "very famous" fruit vendor. (Man I love using that term so much now. thank you Masters-holders of this forum.)

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 5:15 pm

zzm9980 wrote:...


And the scenes from MI-Ghost Protocol is not far off, when they see a guy walking with cellphones in a tray .. :)

Oh, a colleague going to India asked me to do's and don't .. hell, I got scolded by him for not telling him NOT to self-serve in the lift.

Our friend got into a lift, pressed the floor and the lift man had yelled at him for trying to steal the lift-man's job :) and until my colleague got out, the lift man had been 'watching' the moves of my colleague ..

Did I mention why some guys don't care about littering ? the excuse was, if there no litter, then the garbage guys / cleaners will be jobless. And littering helps keep their job .. so how to translate that then ??
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Postby Mi Amigo » Wed, 15 Feb 2012 5:17 pm

zzm9980 wrote:a "very famous" fruit vendor.

Hahahaa! I LOL'd at that one. A bit embarassing too, sitting in an airport lounge.

So... are YOU the man from Del Monte then??
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