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AWOL NS after serving 1 year in police force around 1998.

Postby RDDJ » Sun, 12 Feb 2012 3:54 pm

Hi everyone,

I suppose my question about NS is already posted and answered somehow but not sure about my case tho ;)

1) immigrated to Malaysia when I was 9 years old in year 1987 with parents using Singapore ppt. ( parents didn't  apply exit permit or whatsoever.

2) came in and out Singapore with Singapore ppt.

3) enlisted for NS police force in the 1998 as letter for enlistment came.

4) served for 1 year and a year more to go but went AWOL after some complications back home in KL where father was sick and need help with business as I was only son. ( did actually appeal to member of parliament at that time but forget her name, of my situation. ) She advised I have no other choice but to finish serving or renounce my Singapore citizenship and be exempted from it and be stateless. Wasn't keen on it coz I havnt yet have another citizenship ... Only a PR of another state.

4) so I took the very difficult decision to AWOL after the 1 year of service in the police force. My dad died after around a year after AWOL ... And so I just had to take care of my mom and my little sister and grandmother as well in Kl. ( well that's anther sob story which may be irrelevant )

5) been staying away from Singapore ever since and 2 years ago I was awarded  Malaysian citizen. Surrender my Singapore ppt and ppt was sent to Singapore.

6) now ive got a letter from ICA to renounce my Singapore citizenship as they don't recognise dual citizen. Filled up all the forms and sent to ICA and awaiting reply from them as of today.

So there it is ...I'm 33 years of age now and have 2 beautiful kids. Well that's a summary of my somewhat eventful life with regards to NS and the decisions of my parents ( I don't blame them ) have an effect over my life. 

Now the question is ... 

A) am I able to renounce my Singapore citizenship?
B) will I be able to enter Singapore with my new acquired passport? 
C) if not - what consequences am I facing with Singapore government if I step in my country of birth given my AWOL from police force?
D) am I looking to be jailed? Fined? Or maybe both?
E) what should I do or whom I should speak to if I want to resolve my case in the best way possible so I may enter my birth country as a free man and able to visit my relatives?

Thank you in advance for any reply to this ... Appreciate it.



 

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Re: AWOL NS after serving 1 year in police force around 1998

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 12 Feb 2012 5:36 pm

RDDJ wrote:Hi everyone,

I suppose my question about NS is already posted and answered somehow but not sure about my case tho ;)

1) immigrated to Malaysia when I was 9 years old in year 1987 with parents using Singapore ppt. ( parents didn't  apply exit permit or whatsoever.

2) came in and out Singapore with Singapore ppt.

3) enlisted for NS police force in the 1998 as letter for enlistment came.

4) served for 1 year and a year more to go but went AWOL after some complications back home in KL where father was sick and need help with business as I was only son. ( did actually appeal to member of parliament at that time but forget her name, of my situation. ) She advised I have no other choice but to finish serving or renounce my Singapore citizenship and be exempted from it and be stateless. Wasn't keen on it coz I havnt yet have another citizenship ... Only a PR of another state.

4) so I took the very difficult decision to AWOL after the 1 year of service in the police force. My dad died after around a year after AWOL ... And so I just had to take care of my mom and my little sister and grandmother as well in Kl. ( well that's anther sob story which may be irrelevant )

5) been staying away from Singapore ever since and 2 years ago I was awarded  Malaysian citizen. Surrender my Singapore ppt and ppt was sent to Singapore.

6) now ive got a letter from ICA to renounce my Singapore citizenship as they don't recognise dual citizen. Filled up all the forms and sent to ICA and awaiting reply from them as of today.

So there it is ...I'm 33 years of age now and have 2 beautiful kids. Well that's a summary of my somewhat eventful life with regards to NS and the decisions of my parents ( I don't blame them ) have an effect over my life. 

Now the question is ... 

A) am I able to renounce my Singapore citizenship?
Nope, once ICA checked with Home Ministy and found out that you are a deserter not AWOL as you have passed the 7 years period to be an AWOLee. ICA only inform you that you are not allowed dual citizenship BUT that is only one part of the equation as you did not complete your NS which is the second part of the equation under the purview of Home Ministry in your case


B) will I be able to enter Singapore with my new acquired passport? 

Nope, 7 years ban for all migrating to West Malaysia even if ICA allow you to renounce

C) if not - what consequences am I facing with Singapore government if I step in my country of birth given my AWOL from police force?

7 years jails and to complete NS then renounce and then on 7 years ban as you are under the previous enactment before 2005 when you committed this crime
D) am I looking to be jailed? Fined? Or maybe both?
as above answer

E) what should I do or whom I should speak to if I want to resolve my case in the best way possible so I may enter my birth country as a free man and able to visit my relatives?

Request to Home Ministry and serve the balance NS and you will be prosecuted in court. Whether they sentence you to jail prior NS or fine depends on the severity of the crime committed

Thank you in advance for any reply to this ... Appreciate it.



 
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Postby RDDJ » Sun, 12 Feb 2012 6:51 pm

Hi there, thank you for your reply appreciate it much.

But 7 years jail time and 7 years ban from entering?
That's a very hefty price to pay eh.

So the only option I'm looking at is to contact Hommis and pursue this matter and see what I'm liable for.

And the other option is to ignore wholly the situation and any referral letter which I may receive from ICA about my renunciation case.

All in all was in a dilemma since and still am now. Those are the only options I have right?

Very unfortunate given the circumstances of the decisions we make in order to obliged with other responsibilities and make another responsibility to be abandoned only to find a severe price to pay with and tremendously effecting our lifetime indefinitely.

Thank you again for the reply mad scientist

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 13 Feb 2012 6:03 pm

RDDJ wrote:Hi there, thank you for your reply appreciate it much.

But 7 years jail time and 7 years ban from entering?
That's a very hefty price to pay eh.

So the only option I'm looking at is to contact Hommis and pursue this matter and see what I'm liable for.

And the other option is to ignore wholly the situation and any referral letter which I may receive from ICA about my renunciation case.

All in all was in a dilemma since and still am now. Those are the only options I have right?

Very unfortunate given the circumstances of the decisions we make in order to obliged with other responsibilities and make another responsibility to be abandoned only to find a severe price to pay with and tremendously effecting our lifetime indefinitely.

Thank you again for the reply mad scientist



The jail term was based on what was sentenced when we hauled back on chap from Brisbane whom AWOL then turned deserter after refusing to return for more than 10 years. If he was an AWOLee , he will faced court martial i.e military court but since that time gap had grown, he was sentenced in civil court and went to Changi Remand. Then on, upon completion of his sentence, he went to complete his NS. Awol only landed you in Kranji or Molbray DB or for SC/VC it will be at Thompson.
You did what you did knowing fully well the circumstances and the knock on effect of your action.
There are recourse on compassionate ground on your type of cases hence I find your reason paltry to say the least.
Now you have to pay for your actions, and yes, I think these are the only options available to you
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Postby RDDJ » Mon, 13 Feb 2012 7:48 pm

I might be hauled from here to face consequences in Singapore?? If I chose to ignore??

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 13 Feb 2012 8:08 pm

RDDJ wrote:I might be hauled from here to face consequences in Singapore?? If I chose to ignore??


Your country extradites people who are just transiting through its airports for "crimes" of using twitter. So yeah, I would be worried, because I'm sure Malaysia will give you up in a second if Singapore wants.

http://thenextweb.com/me/2012/02/12/mal ... is-tweets/

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Postby RDDJ » Mon, 13 Feb 2012 8:42 pm

Btw was just wondering ... Was the chap from Brisbane an Aussie citizen by any chance and extradited being an NS deserter?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 1:05 am

zzm9980 wrote:
RDDJ wrote:I might be hauled from here to face consequences in Singapore?? If I chose to ignore??


Your country extradites people who are just transiting through its airports for "crimes" of using twitter. So yeah, I would be worried, because I'm sure Malaysia will give you up in a second if Singapore wants.

http://thenextweb.com/me/2012/02/12/mal ... is-tweets/


@zzm9980
This is incorrect. Please do not make nor assume all laws are the same. No, you will not be extradited. You will only get caught while transiting via SG border. He is a Malaysia Citizen period
Big Difference !!!!

We hauled him back because he was a white horse category and nope he was not an Ozzie Citizen
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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 9:02 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
RDDJ wrote:I might be hauled from here to face consequences in Singapore?? If I chose to ignore??


Your country extradites people who are just transiting through its airports for "crimes" of using twitter. So yeah, I would be worried, because I'm sure Malaysia will give you up in a second if Singapore wants.

http://thenextweb.com/me/2012/02/12/mal ... is-tweets/


@zzm9980
This is incorrect. Please do not make nor assume all laws are the same. No, you will not be extradited. You will only get caught while transiting via SG border. He is a Malaysia Citizen period
Big Difference !!!!

We hauled him back because he was a white horse category and nope he was not an Ozzie Citizen



Yeah, that was a bit tongue in cheek. I guess I should have recognized the seriousness of using twitter :P

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 9:18 am

I've been given to understand that Malaysians can divorce their spouses via twitter. Is it true? :o

Pretty serious, if so.......

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Postby therat » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 9:32 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I've been given to understand that Malaysians can divorce their spouses via twitter. Is it true? :o

Pretty serious, if so.......


It's true.

But only for Muslim.
No need to be twitter.
SMS also can do the same.

The wife cannot say No.

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 9:34 am

Yes, but the declaration can only be done by Muslims in Malaysia. And they are still required to go through the papers later on.

And yes, the Syariah court did approve of such method.

Shame... Especially when the hubby declares 'jatuh talak' as well to rub salt into the wound.

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Postby RDDJ » Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:08 am

Thanks so much for the much appreciated explanation mad scientist.

Coz it's seem very odd and unusual if singapore would pursue an extradition request for an NS ( awolee or deserter for that matter ) who already acquired foreign citizen and ( may or may not relinquish their former other citizen during oath taking of another country ) be successful in an extradition request for grounds of breaching the Singapore enlistment act. 
Unless it's an extraditable offence (serious) found in Singapore legislation IMHO.

May I ask what's a 'White horse' case for the brissie chap who was hauled back? I'm sure everyone here would like to know more about it.

Now my only question left is ... if I can renounce my Singapore citizen thru ICA? which I have formally did it here by oath when I acquired another citizen by relinquishing all other citizen i may hold formerly. But singapore's concern is I'm still a Singaporean to them still.

History shows apparently I can't renounce my Singapore citizen especially with my outstanding issues with Singapore. Will wait for the reply from ICA in any case and fingers crossed.

The second is to pursue with Hommis. Which is far fetched if it only means I will be making a decision to detach myself from the world for a long long time given my outstanding issues.

It other words I choose the first option.

Not having the luxury to come home to my birth place as a free man because of the decisions my parents made when I was 9 years old and considering the other very very difficult decision I have to make more than 10 years ago in order to give a hand with my family circumstances seems to be a life sentencing in itself. 

(I still don't blame my parents)

Thank you all for having the kind attention and the explanation with this issue.

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Postby mrbakchormee » Thu, 08 Mar 2012 6:18 pm

I think he did a good thing by going back.
though of course, there's this NS bugaboo :|


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