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Tents along East Coast Park

Post by zzm9980 » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 9:14 am

So during last night's stroll, I took a closer look than normal at the tent setup along the beach. I happened to notice quite a few with "foreigners" all hanging laundry outside. That seemed odd. As I kept walking, I quickly realized that they were all bundled around a bathroom and shower, and that's when I realized they were living there. (Yes, I was a bit slow on this one.) Is this actually allowed? I assume not, but is obviously tolerated? These tent setups look a lot more permanent than "move every day".

This is right along the beach just east of where the Siglap park connector ends.

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Post by nakatago » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 9:18 am

There ARE homeless people in Singapore--locals and foreigners alike. I saw an Al Jazeera report once about it--for locals, basically, they've fallen through the cracks. For foreigners, at least from an anecdote I've heard, they came here to look for a job but without having prepared for anything.
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Post by the lynx » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 9:23 am

Yeah, and the authorities have been going around (not frequent though) to round up the homeless along the beaches.

For the locals, most of them are the ones who, in attempt to jump into the bandwagon of making money in HDB sales, 'accidentally' sold their precious HDBs, only to find that they do not have enough money (or meet the requirement) to buy even a smaller unit. And also other technicality that involves. Hence this.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/04/hom ... hnicality/

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Post by zzm9980 » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 9:37 am

the lynx wrote:
For the locals, most of them are the ones who, in attempt to jump into the bandwagon of making money in HDB sales, 'accidentally' sold their precious HDBs, only to find that they do not have enough money (or meet the requirement) to buy even a smaller unit. And also other technicality that involves. Hence this.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/04/hom ... hnicality/
Kiasu at it's finest. "Singapore: The world's wealthiest homeless!" hehe

edit: Ok, now that I read the link, I realize it's not quite their faults. I do wonder how many were just trying to cash out though.

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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:02 am

zzm9980 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
For the locals, most of them are the ones who, in attempt to jump into the bandwagon of making money in HDB sales, 'accidentally' sold their precious HDBs, only to find that they do not have enough money (or meet the requirement) to buy even a smaller unit. And also other technicality that involves. Hence this.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/04/hom ... hnicality/
Kiasu at it's finest. "Singapore: The world's wealthiest homeless!" hehe

edit: Ok, now that I read the link, I realize it's not quite their faults. I do wonder how many were just trying to cash out though.
But better than this ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tches.html

Oh, about tents, where I used to stay before, the next unit was occupied by a lot of guys, and the group had a few tents, sometimes stacked outside the unit, in the corridor .. (one of those ancient private estates .. )

Out of curiosity, one day I asked them .. and seems the gang is used to pitching tents in the beach, every weekend .. saves them "TRANSIT" hour rates .. :D :D

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Post by ksl » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 2:13 pm

Permits are required for tents!

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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 2:17 pm

ksl wrote:Permits are required for tents!
No .. Permits are not required if you are NOT OVER-NIGHTING

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Post by Saint » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 3:16 pm

ecureilx wrote:
ksl wrote:Permits are required for tents!
No .. Permits are not required if you are NOT OVER-NIGHTING
Yes you do

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 3:47 pm

From the National Parks Board.

From the highlighted text, it would appear that in order to pitch a tent one would need a permit, be it for an hour or 24 hours. The permit is good for 24 hours. So, yes, you do need a permit to pitch a tent even for an hour.

1. A permit is required for pitching a tent for camping purpose. Camping is allowed only within the designated zones at Changi Beach Park, East Coast Park, Pasir Ris Park and West Coast Park. For safety reasons, open fire or use of stove is not allowed.
2. An applicant must be 16 years old and above, and can only apply for one permit per park per day (valid from 9am to 9am the following day). The particulars of every persons staying in the tent must be stated in the application.
3. The person to whom a permit is issued must be present at the tent and must not leave the tent vacant or unattended. The applicant must show his/her permit/s to NParks officers for verification upon request. For safety and security reasons, any tent left vacant or unattended may be removed by NParks without notice.
4. Permits issued are solely for recreational camping only. Residing at the park is not allowed and is an offence.
5. The person to whom a permit is issued to must ensure that the camping area is clean at all times and must clear all trash after using the camping area. Littering or leaving behind trash constitutes an offence which carries a composition fine of $300.
6. The permit/s must be prominently displayed outside the tent at all times.
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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 3:49 pm

Saint wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
ksl wrote:Permits are required for tents!
No .. Permits are not required if you are NOT OVER-NIGHTING
Yes you do
Yes, you are right .. in 2009, the rules had been revised to apply for permit at AXS for tent .. for all places .. unlike the previous rules which required for weekdays and over-nighting, and not for weekends

My apologies ..

Make sense, since 2008 or so I haven't been invited for any 'tent' parties !!!

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Post by x9200 » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 4:40 pm

It is more clearly said in one of the NPB brochures (http://www.nparks.gov.sg/cms/docs/parks ... ochure.pdf)

Camping

Camping activities are allowed specifically at Area D and Area G. A permit is required to camp in East Coast Park at all times, and park officers will be patrolling the park to check on these permits everyday.

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Post by ksl » Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:10 am

ecureilx wrote:
ksl wrote:Permits are required for tents!
No .. Permits are not required if you are NOT OVER-NIGHTING
:P :wink: I knew because I looked into it myself! I'm thinking of going around the island by bike so need to know these things of what can I was also :shock: but understandable with all the litter that is dumped.

I've never seen so many Singaporeans break the laws on litter, cars even pull up outside my home and dump their rubbish, before driving off. They certainly need fines here as they never learn.

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Post by QRM » Thu, 02 Feb 2012 7:54 am

How do you define camping? would be daft to apply for a permit every time I stick tent up to act as a shelter from the sun/mozzies when visiting the beach?

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Post by JR8 » Thu, 02 Feb 2012 7:56 am

QRM wrote:How do you define camping? would be daft to apply for a permit every time I stick tent up to act as a shelter from the sun/mozzies when visiting the beach?
You're white, so the rules don't apply ;)

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Post by x9200 » Thu, 02 Feb 2012 9:06 am

QRM wrote:How do you define camping? would be daft to apply for a permit every time I stick tent up to act as a shelter from the sun/mozzies when visiting the beach?
I asked myself this question and checked some dictionaries (including M-W) as in my perception was more about living than simply putting a tent over a patch of grass. Unfortunately the definitions seems to be rather broad and definitely not requiring living in a tent (or similar) to call it camping.

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