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Postby voxies09 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:01 pm

saving 15mil in Singapore bank, i think it's peanut to invest 2.5M in Singapore; if I am you. I will definitely invest it;
However, from your explanation it seem this is a case of "marriage of convenience.";

why do you need PR if you do not want contribute to Singapore?

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Postby carteki » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:01 pm

I'm with SE on this. The odds are they'll give you PR (Leeky is well connected with the Dubai Royal Family if you have connections there it can't hurt). But try and keep your story straight... you say you don't want to invest 2.5m for PR, but then you say you think you'll buy a hotel - def going to cost you more than 2.5m (btw:other than your advanced degree do you have any experience in this?)

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Re: Chances of getting a PR in Singapore - UAE Citizen

Postby lucky84 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:01 pm

Tightening up means slicing off the bottom end of the applicants, not the top. If you've made, or will make, a financial commitment in SG, and you don't have a history that would bar you as an undesirable, it is hard to understand why Singapore wouldn't want you. Money, experience... but hey... you are the guy with the money... you must know how it opens doors.


Thanks for the reply SE. I don't think that i have a history which would create any troubles for me neither can i think of anything wrong with my family background or my record during my stay in Singapore. Infact i have been very active in donating to charitable organizations here in Singapore since i was not even married to a Singaporean.

I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

I agree with most of the people that for me the best route would be to apply PR through investment but i do not want to waste my money in projects i am not interested in. I rather generate more fund during the period of 3 years while i complete my Graduation here in Singapore and then when i am ready to make a big investment i do it in one shot for maximum returns.

Anyway thanks alot for all your help guys. I really appreciate it.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:20 pm

lucky84 wrote:I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

Because people tend to follow the stereotypical thinking and if PR and 1y marriage is in the same post... What kind of convenience for you would be to get married just to get SPR I also don't know.

I agree with most of the people that for me the best route would be to apply PR through investment but i do not want to waste my money in projects i am not interested in. I rather generate more fund during the period of 3 years while i complete my Graduation here in Singapore and then when i am ready to make a big investment i do it in one shot for maximum returns.

Anyway thanks alot for all your help guys. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Chances of getting a PR in Singapore - UAE Citizen

Postby A little ball of fur » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:26 pm

x9200 wrote:
lucky84 wrote:I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

Because people tend to follow the stereotypical thinking and if PR and 1y marriage is in the same post... What kind of convenience for you would be to get married just to get SPR I also don't know.


You need to look at it from the Singapore Government's perspective. After so many years of PR abuse and seen so many PR by marriage abused, what would you expect the gahmen to do?

Better safe than sorry, for future applications.

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Re: Chances of getting a PR in Singapore - UAE Citizen

Postby nakatago » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:31 pm

A little ball of fur wrote:
x9200 wrote:
lucky84 wrote:I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

Because people tend to follow the stereotypical thinking and if PR and 1y marriage is in the same post... What kind of convenience for you would be to get married just to get SPR I also don't know.


You need to look at it from the Singapore Government's perspective. After so many years of PR abuse and seen so many PR by marriage abused, what would you expect the gahmen to do?

Better safe than sorry, for future applications.


The usual modus operandi is to marry into a Singaporean residency so that they will have a better standard of living. This makes it convenient for them to have a better life, most probably to escape poverty or to climb a step--or several steps higher--the social ladder.

Our friend here, is obviously well off already even before marrying a Singaporean.

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Postby A little ball of fur » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:35 pm

True. But playing Devil's Advocate here.

From the gahmen's perspective, our friend could also use the SPR as a stepping stone to the West as he is Middle-Eastern.

You have to look at this from all perspectives. I'm not saying that this is the OP's motive. But you need to look at it from the SG gahmen's POV.

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A little ball of fur wrote:
x9200 wrote:
lucky84 wrote:I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

Because people tend to follow the stereotypical thinking and if PR and 1y marriage is in the same post... What kind of convenience for you would be to get married just to get SPR I also don't know.


You need to look at it from the Singapore Government's perspective. After so many years of PR abuse and seen so many PR by marriage abused, what would you expect the gahmen to do?

Better safe than sorry, for future applications.


The usual modus operandi is to marry into a Singaporean residency so that they will have a better standard of living. This makes it convenient for them to have a better life, most probably to escape poverty or to climb a step--or several steps higher--the social ladder.

Our friend here, is obviously well off already even before marrying a Singaporean.

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Postby nakatago » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 1:41 pm

A little ball of fur wrote:he is Middle-Eastern.


But an Emirati!

Anyway, enough of that. OP has enough info now.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:09 pm

A little ball of fur wrote:
x9200 wrote:
lucky84 wrote:I cannot understand why people think that my marriage is "Marriage of Convenience", anyway everyone have the right to think of whatever they want.

Because people tend to follow the stereotypical thinking and if PR and 1y marriage is in the same post... What kind of convenience for you would be to get married just to get SPR I also don't know.


You need to look at it from the Singapore Government's perspective. After so many years of PR abuse and seen so many PR by marriage abused, what would you expect the gahmen to do?

Give'ev some credits. They are not idiots. Besides, if somebody keeps US15m in an SG bank he can be as conveniently married as it gets not to one but 5 wives. Keeping such person around whether he invests immediatelly or even for a chance of doing it in future can only be beneficial. How he is going to abuse the system? By buying HDB, sending their future kids to a local school and then moving out withdrawing his CPF savings?

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Re: Chances of getting a PR in Singapore - UAE Citizen

Postby lucky84 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:23 pm

A little ball of fur wrote:From the gahmen's perspective, our friend could also use the SPR as a stepping stone to the West as he is Middle-Eastern.


Can you explain how can being a Singapore PR be used as a stepping stone to the West for we Emiratis?

Maybe you are just ignorant my friend or maybe you will only get a clearer picture about our relations with the West and the position of Emiratis when you visit our country. Yes we do require Visa's to travel most of the Western Countries where as Singapore Citizens do not but getting visa to any Western Country for us is like picking up our kids from School. Its money and the image that matters the most in this world my friend (many would agree on this). And thanks to Allah all my brothers back home are far better off than any ordinary Citizen of any country in the world. No Offense to anyone but to travel anywhere in the world one only doesn't need a visa but should have proof of sufficient funds before allowed entry to any country.

But i still do not understand how can being a SPR help anyone to enter the West?

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:30 pm

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And I did meet a person, who owns a Bentley Mulsanne (about 2 million S$ Car???) , owns and lives in an apartment in Paterson Suites, and does NOTHING in Singapore- from what I know, and is on PR ...

Of course, as said, the Singapore Govt is terrified that he will abuse his PR, and send his kids to Local school, and use the high-interest of CPF to multiply his money and buy HDB house .. or NOT???

.. and the person who I was with, when I met the above mentioned .. too owns two large units in Sanctuary Green, and is on PR, and yah, possibly another PR abuser .. or Not again ??? :) Oh, this person's children are study in England, and this person too, other than living here, and managing his overseas businesses, does nothing in Singapore !!!

Or you could fry me accusing me of concocting stories :)
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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:44 pm

A little ball of fur wrote:True. But playing Devil's Advocate here.

From the gahmen's perspective, our friend could also use the SPR as a stepping stone to the West as he is Middle-Eastern.



eh, USD$500k would get him US PR, so I don't think that's a concern.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45554173/Buy_a_U ... en_Schumer

Edit: Or another scheme that is already available:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa
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Postby BillyB » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:45 pm

lucky84 wrote:
A little ball of fur wrote:From the gahmen's perspective, our friend could also use the SPR as a stepping stone to the West as he is Middle-Eastern.


Can you explain how can being a Singapore PR be used as a stepping stone to the West for we Emiratis?

Maybe you are just ignorant my friend or maybe you will only get a clearer picture about our relations with the West and the position of Emiratis when you visit our country. Yes we do require Visa's to travel most of the Western Countries where as Singapore Citizens do not but getting visa to any Western Country for us is like picking up our kids from School. Its money and the image that matters the most in this world my friend (many would agree on this). And thanks to Allah all my brothers back home are far better off than any ordinary Citizen of any country in the world. No Offense to anyone but to travel anywhere in the world one only doesn't need a visa but should have proof of sufficient funds before allowed entry to any country.

But i still do not understand how can being a SPR help anyone to enter the West?


Don't get riled; the comment wasn't meant in a detrimental way.

As much as it might offend you, it's quite common in practice for Countries to be used as 'stepping stones' in order to get the holy grail visa to the US, Canada or, for whatever reason, the UK.

Asian countries provide a good basis to start this process because they are English speaking but tolerant of language imperfections, welcome foreigners openly and the SG and HK dollar are strong against the homeland currencies - allowing people to accumulate wealth faster than they would in their native Country.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:51 pm

lucky84 wrote:But i still do not understand how can being a SPR help anyone to enter the West?


And it doesn't help that a lot of people wrongly believe that getting a PR in Singapore will speed your visa for other countries, when, in reality, it doesn't help much

As you said, rightfully, visa approval is based on a lot of things, including, as the US Embassy states, showing your commitment to return back to your country of Domicile apart from showing proof of financial balance :)

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 26 Jan 2012 2:58 pm

ecureilx wrote:
lucky84 wrote:But i still do not understand how can being a SPR help anyone to enter the West?


And it doesn't help that a lot of people wrongly believe that getting a PR in Singapore will speed your visa for other countries, when, in reality, it doesn't help much

As you said, rightfully, visa approval is based on a lot of things, including, as the US Embassy states, showing your commitment to return back to your country of Domicile apart from showing proof of financial balance :)


For the US, it can help slightly because the US requires you to utilize the embassy/consulate located in the country of your citizenship, UNLESS you're a documented "permanent resident" of somewhere else. The US's definition of permanent resident doesn't mean SG PR, but just that you've resided here in rented or owned property for at least 6 months.

Why does this matter? Each embassy has their own "secret" policies on criteria and evaluation for visas. (Just like MOM!) Some countries are notoriously difficult to get a visa (for example, Vietnam), others give them out like candy. (pretty much based on the number of attempt visa abusers in the local country) The US Singapore consulate, since the citizens are already have Visa-wavers, is rather friendly. Not many abusers coming through :) It's not a huge advantage, but every little bit helps.


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