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Post by Tigerslayer » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 8:58 pm

BillyB wrote:
I may have made mistakes in parts of my answer, but it was made with the intention to help the original poster out.

Remember, nobody likes a smartarse.

Incidentally, your comment on RIM not being in trouble is the biggest load of shite I've heard in a long time. The share price is down 70% this year and the company is on it's arse.......
Mistakes are not a problem and offering advice is always a welcome thing... saying someone else is wrong when you clearly haven't researched your statements is a problem and cannot be seen as good.

I'm all for helping but discrediting someone who actually can help with baseless statements is not a good thing.

As for my statement about RIM my actual line was...

"RIM may have its troubles but they are wildly overblown and the latest BlackBerry devices are ok and selling well."

Again you can spin it how you like but I didn't say they don't have issues. Stock price isn't telling the whole story and I happen to believe that in the long term they may see a recovery if they get their strategy right over the next two years.

You of course may have a different opinion but thats what a forum is all about. Just try and at least get the facts right.

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Post by Tigerslayer » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 9:11 pm

With regard to this:
Now Singtel has a BES plan yes, I'm unclear if this is just the plan you need to subscribe to for the privilege of using Singtel's network to attach to your BES server, or if Singtel and/or RIM actually host BES instances for individuals to park their mail on.
Telcos and RIM do not host traditional BES (The exception here is with Office 365). What you are paying for is for both RIM and Singtel to provide infrastructure and route your data from the BES to your device. BES connects directly to RIM. The BlackBerry Devices connect to RIM through the BlackBerry APN and then RIM acts as the middle man to route the data. You need a plan that includes BES service since RIM considers this a premium service compared to BIS.
When you subscribe to this, do you get an @blackberry.com or @singtel.com (or something similar) mail account to use? Do you need to configure your mail provider to send mail there?
This is BIS. RIM hosts what can be almost be described as a lot of mail client servers. Instead of RIM's 'VPN' you are using traditional mail protocols like IMAP / POP3/ and OWA. You enter your personal or work email account details into a web portal (or directly into the device) and RIM will poll the account for you every few minutes and push any new data to the device.

As part of the BIS subscription you can have a 'BlackBerry hosted email account'. For Singtel this would be username@singtel.ap.blackberry.net. This isn't actually a mailbox since mail sent to this address is not stored anywhere by the carrier or by RIM it is merely a redirect address to send emails to the BlackBerry device.

This service differs from BES since it is not always 'instant delivery', most mail accounts you can register will not allow contact and calendar sync over the wireless network, and of course it is not encrypted to the same level.

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Post by BillyB » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 9:18 pm

Tigerslayer wrote:
BillyB wrote:
I may have made mistakes in parts of my answer, but it was made with the intention to help the original poster out.

Remember, nobody likes a smartarse.

Incidentally, your comment on RIM not being in trouble is the biggest load of shite I've heard in a long time. The share price is down 70% this year and the company is on it's arse.......
Mistakes are not a problem and offering advice is always a welcome thing... saying someone else is wrong when you clearly haven't researched your statements is a problem and cannot be seen as good.

I'm all for helping but discrediting someone who actually can help with baseless statements is not a good thing.

As for my statement about RIM my actual line was...

"RIM may have its troubles but they are wildly overblown and the latest BlackBerry devices are ok and selling well."

Again you can spin it how you like but I didn't say they don't have issues. Stock price isn't telling the whole story and I happen to believe that in the long term they may see a recovery if they get their strategy right over the next two years.

You of course may have a different opinion but thats what a forum is all about. Just try and at least get the facts right.
Get off your high-horse.....

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Post by Tigerslayer » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 9:28 pm

Get off your high-horse.....
=D>

Good one!

As many a sneering forumer on here would say to the newer postees.. 'Foreign Talent?'

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Post by BillyB » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 9:42 pm

Tigerslayer wrote:
Get off your high-horse.....
=D>

Good one!

As many a sneering forumer on here would say to the newer postees.. 'Foreign Talent?'
Don't give up your day job as the forum 'twat' - it's clearly a skill you possess in spades - you've demonstrated it very well since you started using this forum.

'Foreign talent', but of course, my salary would imply so.....

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Post by Tigerslayer » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 9:46 pm

Don't give up your day job as the forum 'twat' - it's clearly a skill you possess in spades - you've demonstrated it very well since you started using this forum.

'Foreign talent', but of course, my salary would imply so.....
That perhaps may say more about your employer than you :wink:

Have you actually managed to find any part of this thread where what I have said isn't reasoned or correct?

Or do just enjoy picking fights with those on the lower pay scale? :)

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Post by zzm9980 » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:06 pm

JR8 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:Either way, RIM has a silly model which has suffered terribly recently in cascading outages, and is (likely) subverted regionally by invasive governments.
Yes. For example you'd be wise to work from an assumption that any e-comms you make from phone calls to e-mails are monitored and recorded.

Hey, even forum posts too!
:wave:
Well RIM just makes it easier. In Tiger's clarification below, you see that all communications go through RIM. There are constant stories in the news about so and so .gov demanding that RIM give them special access to their citizens' BB data, etc. At least with a normal phone using IMAP/S, the infrastructure is decentralized and whoever would be targeting you has to target the individual organization your email is going through. And even then, if you're proactive you can notice signs that your connection may be monitored (unless the organization hosting your email colludes directly with the entity monitoring you.

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Post by BillyB » Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:44 pm

Tigerslayer wrote:
Don't give up your day job as the forum 'twat' - it's clearly a skill you possess in spades - you've demonstrated it very well since you started using this forum.

'Foreign talent', but of course, my salary would imply so.....
That perhaps may say more about your employer than you :wink:

Have you actually managed to find any part of this thread where what I have said isn't reasoned or correct?

Or do just enjoy picking fights with those on the lower pay scale? :)
Here, I'll tell you in layman's terms:

You made your point about RIM and Blackberry contracts etc. - without offering anything to the OP originally - but wanted to sign off with a smug little message to me, trying to turn this post into a pissing contest for you ego trip.

Plus, it's not the first time you've rubbed people up the wrong way on this forum. You might think you're misunderstood, but to me you seem like a giant penis.

Finally, you come across as cocky, smug and arrogant.

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