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S pass condition.

Postby oklor76 » Fri, 13 Jan 2012 6:17 pm

Hi,

I have checked thru all government website like MOM to ICA but could not find the answer I am looking for.

-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?
-Do S Pass holder need to go for pregnant test when doing their renewal?
-Do S Pass holder need to inform the controller when she plans to marry a Singaporean.

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Re: S pass condition.

Postby ecureilx » Sat, 14 Jan 2012 8:56 am

oklor76 wrote:Hi,

I have checked thru all government website like MOM to ICA but could not find the answer I am looking for.

-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?
-Do S Pass holder need to go for pregnant test when doing their renewal?
-Do S Pass holder need to inform the controller when she plans to marry a Singaporean.

Thanks


Such T&C comes when the S Pass holder gets the approval papers .. if I remember correctly ..

So, are you planning to get an S Pass holder pregnant or planning to get a girl friend as S Pass holder ?? :)

For question 3 - no permission needed, but need to inform MOM if getting married (Change of status .. )

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Re: S pass condition.

Postby the lynx » Sat, 14 Jan 2012 3:50 pm

oklor76 wrote:Hi,

I have checked thru all government website like MOM to ICA but could not find the answer I am looking for.

-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?

Yes. Only WP holders are not allowed.

-Do S Pass holder need to go for pregnant test when doing their renewal?

No need. But in the form (for renewal), you must indicate that you have a child and who's your spouse.

-Do S Pass holder need to inform the controller when she plans to marry a Singaporean.

No need to. Only WP holders have to do that.



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The only reason you can't find an answer is because the restriction only applies to WP holders. Nevertheless, it is your responsibility to update MOM when that happens.

You raise such an interesting question...

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 14 Jan 2012 7:46 pm

It would have been better f you hadn't posted two almost overlapping questions in two topics, both at the same time.

Now readers coming here and thinking of helping you, cannot see the help you have already been given in the other topic. I.e. it wastes people's time!

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Re: S pass condition.

Postby beppi » Sat, 14 Jan 2012 9:13 pm

oklor76 wrote:-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?

This is a biological question and the answer is "Yes, if one other condition (being female) is met!"

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Re: S pass condition.

Postby oklor76 » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:15 am

ecureilx wrote:
oklor76 wrote:Hi,

I have checked thru all government website like MOM to ICA but could not find the answer I am looking for.

-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?
-Do S Pass holder need to go for pregnant test when doing their renewal?
-Do S Pass holder need to inform the controller when she plans to marry a Singaporean.

Thanks


Such T&C comes when the S Pass holder gets the approval papers .. if I remember correctly ..

So, are you planning to get an S Pass holder pregnant or planning to get a girl friend as S Pass holder ?? :)

For question 3 - no permission needed, but need to inform MOM if getting married (Change of status .. )



I am trying to marry my gf who is a S pass holder.

I am very confuse because I got 2 replies from MOM. One told my gf we need to apply from MOM and the other told me I do not need to apply from MOM.
Both are through phone. I try to find information regarding this in MOM website but there is non.

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Re: S pass condition.

Postby oklor76 » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:21 am

the lynx wrote:
oklor76 wrote:Hi,

I have checked thru all government website like MOM to ICA but could not find the answer I am looking for.

-Can S Pass holder get pregnant in Singapore?

Yes. Only WP holders are not allowed.

-Do S Pass holder need to go for pregnant test when doing their renewal?

No need. But in the form (for renewal), you must indicate that you have a child and who's your spouse.

-Do S Pass holder need to inform the controller when she plans to marry a Singaporean.

No need to. Only WP holders have to do that.



Thanks


The only reason you can't find an answer is because the restriction only applies to WP holders. Nevertheless, it is your responsibility to update MOM when that happens.

You raise such an interesting question...


My gf called MOM and was told we need to apply thru them and MOM will send us an application within the next 14 days. We need to fill up the application form and wait for their approval. MOM told us not to go down to MOM as that department do not entertain walk in customer. They will send to us and we will just need to respond MOM thru the application letter send to us.

Is there any source in black and white stating S pass do not need to get approval for marriage. I am just worry if I marry her and then the law actually requires her to seek permission from MOM, then I am dead.

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:30 am

I can understand your concern to get this done correctly. The ramifications of WP holders not doing it correctly can be heavy (just ask SMS who knows first hand).

I'd call MoM again and repeat the question.

But can I ask, how are you phrasing it? I'd imagine something like this...

- 'Hello, I am SGn citizen. I would like to marry my girlfriend/fiancee who is a xyz citizen, and working here on a S-Pass. Do we need permission from MoM to get married?'

Is that what you're asking? On the surface it seems very black and white.

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Postby oklor76 » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:49 am

JR8 wrote:I can understand your concern to get this done correctly. The ramifications of WP holders not doing it correctly can be heavy (just ask SMS who knows first hand).

I'd call MoM again and repeat the question.

But can I ask, how are you phrasing it? I'd imagine something like this...

- 'Hello, I am SGn citizen. I would like to marry my girlfriend/fiancee who is a xyz citizen, and working here on a S-Pass. Do we need permission from MoM to get married?'

Is that what you're asking? On the surface it seems very black and white.



Yes, the officer replied me that we do not need to inform MOM. But then my gf called them directly and the answer she got from the other officer is that we need to apply from MOM to get married. So verbally we got 2 different answers now.

I was trying to look around in the forum to see if anyone had experience having trying to marry their S pass holder spouse in Singapore.

I will try to contact them again.

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 1:02 am

I'm no expert but there is nothing that I am aware of, excluding your GFs call, that says you need permission.

So either call them again and if they say you need to, wait for them to send you the form, and if they say no, there you are.


There's probably not much point searching here for parallel questions to yours. You are the first time I've even seen it being asked re an S pass holder.

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Postby the lynx » Sun, 15 Jan 2012 9:23 pm

oklor76 wrote:
JR8 wrote:I can understand your concern to get this done correctly. The ramifications of WP holders not doing it correctly can be heavy (just ask SMS who knows first hand).

I'd call MoM again and repeat the question.

But can I ask, how are you phrasing it? I'd imagine something like this...

- 'Hello, I am SGn citizen. I would like to marry my girlfriend/fiancee who is a xyz citizen, and working here on a S-Pass. Do we need permission from MoM to get married?'

Is that what you're asking? On the surface it seems very black and white.



Yes, the officer replied me that we do not need to inform MOM. But then my gf called them directly and the answer she got from the other officer is that we need to apply from MOM to get married. So verbally we got 2 different answers now.

I was trying to look around in the forum to see if anyone had experience having trying to marry their S pass holder spouse in Singapore.

I will try to contact them again.


I think I can understand where you're coming from.

My guess is that the MOM heard your girlfriend wrongly because the only black-and-white requirement for permission from MOM is for WP holders only. EP and SPass need not to do so because simple it doesn't say so.

I think (experts, please correct me) the application form is not for approval purposes, it is merely for updating purposes. Nevertheless, wait for the form to come first and see the content.

Not a big hoo-haa I'd say. It is a good thing you're trying to make sure things are done accordingly. Better extra effort than breaking the law.

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 16 Jan 2012 9:40 am

the lynx wrote:My guess is that the MOM heard your girlfriend wrongly because the only black-and-white requirement for permission from MOM is for WP holders only. EP and SPass need not to do so because simple it doesn't say so.

I think (experts, please correct me) the application form is not for approval purposes, it is merely for updating purposes. Nevertheless, wait for the form to come first and see the content.

Not a big hoo-haa I'd say. It is a good thing you're trying to make sure things are done accordingly. Better extra effort than breaking the law.


So too I think .. !!!

Doesn't help that S Pass says Work Pass Department ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:29 am

Your gf only needs permission to marry IF she is on a WP. There are no such codicils when when a EP or S pass holder wishes to marry. However, depending on where she is from, until she has been here several years (married - not totally) She will not automatically get PR or Citizenship here. She will continue to be able to work on her S pass as before, but if she quits working, she will probably only get an LTVP until such time as she's satisfied the ICA that her's was not a marriage of convenience.

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Postby oklor76 » Tue, 17 Jan 2012 3:30 am

the lynx wrote:
oklor76 wrote:
JR8 wrote:I can understand your concern to get this done correctly. The ramifications of WP holders not doing it correctly can be heavy (just ask SMS who knows first hand).

I'd call MoM again and repeat the question.

But can I ask, how are you phrasing it? I'd imagine something like this...

- 'Hello, I am SGn citizen. I would like to marry my girlfriend/fiancee who is a xyz citizen, and working here on a S-Pass. Do we need permission from MoM to get married?'

Is that what you're asking? On the surface it seems very black and white.



Yes, the officer replied me that we do not need to inform MOM. But then my gf called them directly and the answer she got from the other officer is that we need to apply from MOM to get married. So verbally we got 2 different answers now.

I was trying to look around in the forum to see if anyone had experience having trying to marry their S pass holder spouse in Singapore.

I will try to contact them again.


I think I can understand where you're coming from.

My guess is that the MOM heard your girlfriend wrongly because the only black-and-white requirement for permission from MOM is for WP holders only. EP and SPass need not to do so because simple it doesn't say so.

I think (experts, please correct me) the application form is not for approval purposes, it is merely for updating purposes. Nevertheless, wait for the form to come first and see the content.

Not a big hoo-haa I'd say. It is a good thing you're trying to make sure things are done accordingly. Better extra effort than breaking the law.


Yah, I have to be very careful, one wrong step and I am history. I have read in this forum where there were cases where the spouse is ban from entering Singapore.

But nevertheless I have recieved a mail from MOM today that should be able to clear the cloud

//
We refer to your email dated 16 January 2012.

We wish to inform that S Pass Holders who intend to marry Singapore Citizens or Permanent Residents are not required to seek Marriage Approval from the Work Pass Division (WPD). However, the employer will need to inform Ministry of Manpower of the change in his / her marital status by submitting the Amendment of Personal Particulars along with a copy of the Marriage Certificate.

//

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 17 Jan 2012 8:42 am

oklor76 wrote:
the lynx wrote:
oklor76 wrote:
JR8 wrote:I can understand your concern to get this done correctly. The ramifications of WP holders not doing it correctly can be heavy (just ask SMS who knows first hand).

I'd call MoM again and repeat the question.

But can I ask, how are you phrasing it? I'd imagine something like this...

- 'Hello, I am SGn citizen. I would like to marry my girlfriend/fiancee who is a xyz citizen, and working here on a S-Pass. Do we need permission from MoM to get married?'

Is that what you're asking? On the surface it seems very black and white.



Yes, the officer replied me that we do not need to inform MOM. But then my gf called them directly and the answer she got from the other officer is that we need to apply from MOM to get married. So verbally we got 2 different answers now.

I was trying to look around in the forum to see if anyone had experience having trying to marry their S pass holder spouse in Singapore.

I will try to contact them again.


I think I can understand where you're coming from.

My guess is that the MOM heard your girlfriend wrongly because the only black-and-white requirement for permission from MOM is for WP holders only. EP and SPass need not to do so because simple it doesn't say so.

I think (experts, please correct me) the application form is not for approval purposes, it is merely for updating purposes. Nevertheless, wait for the form to come first and see the content.

Not a big hoo-haa I'd say. It is a good thing you're trying to make sure things are done accordingly. Better extra effort than breaking the law.


Yah, I have to be very careful, one wrong step and I am history. I have read in this forum where there were cases where the spouse is ban from entering Singapore.

But nevertheless I have recieved a mail from MOM today that should be able to clear the cloud

//
We refer to your email dated 16 January 2012.

We wish to inform that S Pass Holders who intend to marry Singapore Citizens or Permanent Residents are not required to seek Marriage Approval from the Work Pass Division (WPD). However, the employer will need to inform Ministry of Manpower of the change in his / her marital status by submitting the Amendment of Personal Particulars along with a copy of the Marriage Certificate.

//


Good for you. Like I said, it is merely for update purposes.

Wishing you blissful marriage ahead :D


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