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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 30 Jan 2012 5:28 pm

If Fiber is available, you can also get Super Internet:
http://www.super.net.sg/NGNBN_home.html


No idea on the quality, I just learned about them today. Their website is refreshingly honest though:

Q1. Will I be able to sustain 100Mbps downloads?
A1. NO! (Would you believe us if we said otherwise?)

Q2. What is the upload speed?
A2. It will peak at 50Mbps.

Q3. Do you block any ports?
A3. We do not block ports except for outbound SMTP. Outbound SMTP must flow through our SMTP servers in order for us to avoid facilitating both intentional and unintentional SPAM.

Q4. Do you shape/rate-limit any specific traffic?
A4. We do not shape or police specific traffic but do limit total traffic in the aggregate coming from the port. There is no rate-limit on P2P protocols other than the top level cap.

Q5. So what is the average speed that I can expect to see on this 100Mbps link?
A5. You will be able to burst to 100Mbps download and 50Mbps uploads. Large emails with attachments of 20MB will mostly see 50Mbps upload speeds. Facebook picture uploads will be in excess of 10Mbps most of the time. General surfing will see pages transferred to you in excess of 25Mbps and will hit 100Mbps. 500MB+ File Transfers will likely plateau at 10 – 25 Mbps depending on the sites.

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Postby Hidy Ho » Mon, 30 Jan 2012 9:49 pm

carteki wrote:The 3 major players as discussed are Singtel, Starhub and M1. From what I've gleaned through reading the forums is the following:
- Singtel is best for internet as all overseas internet traffic goes through their gateway. Depends on how fast you want your internet. I have no complaints with my Starhub connection. M1 were having some really cool fibre (100mbs) deals recently although there may still be a connection fee to your apartment.


I'm getting Singtel fibre (turning British here) optic with 200 mbps with digital line and sports package for 109 SGD I think (exPlore Home Sports 200 package). I have no idea what taxes or surchages will be on top of this - I hope none. With this package, they waived OpenNet installation cost to my apt. I think I was paying about same or more with AT&T uVerse back in USA (I think I was paying close to $100 for 25mbps connection alone and then close to another $100 for my cable).

I have no real life experience yet as I just booked this last week and the installation will commence toward second half of February.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 9:24 am

Hidy Ho wrote:
carteki wrote:The 3 major players as discussed are Singtel, Starhub and M1. From what I've gleaned through reading the forums is the following:
- Singtel is best for internet as all overseas internet traffic goes through their gateway. Depends on how fast you want your internet. I have no complaints with my Starhub connection. M1 were having some really cool fibre (100mbs) deals recently although there may still be a connection fee to your apartment.


I'm getting Singtel fibre (turning British here) optic with 200 mbps with digital line and sports package for 109 SGD I think (exPlore Home Sports 200 package). I have no idea what taxes or surchages will be on top of this - I hope none. With this package, they waived OpenNet installation cost to my apt. I think I was paying about same or more with AT&T uVerse back in USA (I think I was paying close to $100 for 25mbps connection alone and then close to another $100 for my cable).

I have no real life experience yet as I just booked this last week and the installation will commence toward second half of February.


That price should include GST (7%). Not a lot of hidden fees and taxes like California (or the US in general).

Since all of fiber is the same infrastructure, you should have an experience similar to what's described in that SuperInternet FAQ above. (Except double the speeds, since they're talking about a 100/50 package)

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Postby bobypf » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 3:03 pm

Ok guys, can someone explain to me why in Singapore the internet uniformly sucks? Everywhere it's painfully slow and it's depressing for everyone who is used to a normal fast internet. And at the same time it's freaking expensive! I have the feeling that here the internet is considered a luxury or something. Does a normal internet here exist at all? In my friends places, in my workplace - it's just freaking slow. And when I ask them why is that, the locals say - no, it's quite fast actually! What the fcuk guys? Am I the only one who knows what a fast internet is? The fastest speed they can reach is around 100-200 KB/s download! Is that fast? Please, if someone has more experience with the singaporen internet, post your observations here. In my country I download at home with at least 2-3 MB/s (megabytes per second) and I pay around S$25. Also, I have a real static IP. Can I get the same service here in Singapore, how much it would cost and which company can provide it to me? Also, I don't want 24908594730 months contracts and sh$t.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 4:14 pm

bobypf wrote:Ok guys, can someone explain to me why in Singapore the internet uniformly sucks? Everywhere it's painfully slow and it's depressing for everyone who is used to a normal fast internet. And at the same time it's freaking expensive! I have the feeling that here the internet is considered a luxury or something. Does a normal internet here exist at all? In my friends places, in my workplace - it's just freaking slow. And when I ask them why is that, the locals say - no, it's quite fast actually! What the fcuk guys? Am I the only one who knows what a fast internet is? The fastest speed they can reach is around 100-200 KB/s download! Is that fast? Please, if someone has more experience with the singaporen internet, post your observations here. In my country I download at home with at least 2-3 MB/s (megabytes per second) and I pay around S$25. Also, I have a real static IP. Can I get the same service here in Singapore, how much it would cost and which company can provide it to me? Also, I don't want 24908594730 months contracts and sh$t.


Nope, you're basically stuck :P

Singtel gives you a mostly static IP, it's just that almost everything goes through a bank of proxies. So while your router has an IP, you'll show up differently with most websites and other services.

Also, a lot of the speed has to do with where you're connecting to. I do OK when I use a service that has a CDN with a presence in Singapore. For example, any of my downloads through Apple as they use Akamai, which is here. Or Google.

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Postby bobypf » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:04 pm

So I must forget about downloading HD movies torrents and everything that's worthwhile?

Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.

This is something I can't understand at all. How come so technically advanced and developed country to be failing to provide a normal internet?

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:06 pm

bobypf wrote:Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.


Those are even worse, if they're available at all. Wireless@SG is a joke in most places and it's not really island wide.

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Postby bobypf » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:09 pm

nakatago wrote:
bobypf wrote:Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.


Those are even worse, if they're available at all. Wireless@SG is a joke in most places and it's not really island wide.


Dude, I'm not talking about these "free free" hotspots but about the... "easily accessible" home wi-fi networks which broadcast from every HDB apartment, if you know what I mean. ;)

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:14 pm

bobypf wrote:
nakatago wrote:
bobypf wrote:Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.


Those are even worse, if they're available at all. Wireless@SG is a joke in most places and it's not really island wide.


Dude, I'm not talking about these "free free" hotspots but about the... "easily accessible" home wi-fi networks which broadcast from every HDB apartment, if you know what I mean. ;)


From experience, I've yet to see one that isn't password protected.

And we don't condone any illegal or nefarious activities here. [-X

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:19 pm

bobypf wrote:So I must forget about downloading HD movies torrents and everything that's worthwhile?

Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.

This is something I can't understand at all. How come so technically advanced and developed country to be failing to provide a normal internet?


I don't see why you need to forget about it? It still works, it's just... slower.

My cable modem in the US was 20/2, and I could torrent a typical hour-long 720p encoded show in about 30 minutes. Here, 90-120 mins on a 16mb Singtel MIO plan. Slower sure, but just queue a bunch up and go sleep or something.

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Postby bobypf » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:21 pm

nakatago wrote:
bobypf wrote:
nakatago wrote:
bobypf wrote:Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my practice of connecting to random wi-fi networks for free for my basic needs only. Since the internet services here are so poor, I don't see a point to pay for them anyway.


Those are even worse, if they're available at all. Wireless@SG is a joke in most places and it's not really island wide.


Dude, I'm not talking about these "free free" hotspots but about the... "easily accessible" home wi-fi networks which broadcast from every HDB apartment, if you know what I mean. ;)


From experience, I've yet to see one that isn't password protected.

And we don't condone any illegal or nefarious activities here. [-X


I didn't say anything... :devil:

Btw, I like this word - nefarious. To be honest, I had to look it up.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:24 pm

Preemptive strike.

We've had posters who were unaware that what they wanted to do was illegal. Not necessarily about tech, though but on a variety of topics.

bobypf wrote:I didn't say anything... :devil:

Btw, I like this word - nefarious. To be honest, I had to look it up.

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Postby bobypf » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 5:28 pm

nakatago wrote:Preemptive strike.

We've had posters who were unaware that what they wanted to do was illegal. Not necessarily about tech, though but on a variety of topics.

bobypf wrote:I didn't say anything... :devil:

Btw, I like this word - nefarious. To be honest, I had to look it up.


Eh... ok. Case closed.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 31 Jan 2012 7:34 pm

bobypf wrote:Ok guys, can someone explain to me why in Singapore the internet uniformly sucks? Everywhere it's painfully slow and it's depressing for everyone who is used to a normal fast internet. And at the same time it's freaking expensive! I have the feeling that here the internet is considered a luxury or something. Does a normal internet here exist at all? In my friends places, in my workplace - it's just freaking slow. And when I ask them why is that, the locals say - no, it's quite fast actually! What the fcuk guys? Am I the only one who knows what a fast internet is? The fastest speed they can reach is around 100-200 KB/s download! Is that fast? Please, if someone has more experience with the singaporen internet, post your observations here. In my country I download at home with at least 2-3 MB/s (megabytes per second) and I pay around S$25. Also, I have a real static IP. Can I get the same service here in Singapore, how much it would cost and which company can provide it to me? Also, I don't want 24908594730 months contracts and sh$t.


Your first sentence is not correct. I get standard 40+ MB on my connection... foreign websites dependent upon optical pipes and the size of the gahmen's routers.

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Postby aster » Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:10 am

Is it Singapore's physical network architecture that's the problem here, namely the hardline links it has to the world's internet infrastructure?

I recall when a tremor somewhere at sea brought the entire internet here to a standstill for like 1-2 days.

From what I've read they are now trying to create some sort of mega-super-hyper-etc.-link to the rest of the world via HK to get bandwidth up.


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