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Post by Aniarc » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 7:23 pm

Hi ,
In last 2 years my VISA has been rejected 3 times by us embassy .
I applied there for maters got selected by Tx A&M but got rejected ....

Few days ago i come to know that Singapore Univ providing same course i am looking for.

I have few doubts though.
1.If i applied for Student Pass In Singapore what are the probabilities that my visa will get rejected.
2.I sorted out some universities too. session starts for Aug. Do i need to apply now or wait for some time.
3.I am taking loan from bank will it gonna cause any trouble during visa .
4.From last 2 years i am working in Pvt. Firm as an developer, will it gonna help me to get better university.


The most important question is will my visa get denied ?
I have all the papers ready and legit.
the only problem is my visa got rejected 3 times by US embassy. Will it gonna cause any trouble?
Please help me out

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 7:33 pm

Hopefully.

They probably won't know what a maters is.

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Post by ecureilx » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 8:10 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Hopefully.

They probably won't know what a maters is.
+1 :)

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Post by JR8 » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 8:56 pm

A useful starting point would be to understand why your US visa applications were rejected. What did they tell you during the interviews?

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Post by ecureilx » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 9:17 pm

JR8 wrote:A useful starting point would be to understand why your US visa applications were rejected. What did they tell you during the interviews?
Not to offend any Americans, seriously, US visa is rejected at various missions of USA in Asia, for many reasons, and that they over-shot the quota is one of them, and me, I wouldn't want to waste time wondering why ... unless I really have an ulterior interest to get there (migrate ?? or some stuff ... )

Reasons, generally, are not given, other than "we are not convinced that your stay in US is temporary" and a "Your application is not succesful today" and a stamp in the passport saying "VISA DENIED", Which, the US embassy rightfully has no reason to stamp so, and has been challenged, but lately, I am told they just stamp "application received" .. (which serves the same purpose, as there is a stamp saying 'received' but inside the passport, no Visa, so alarm bells ring in the next mission the candidate submits his / her passport .. ) and oh, the US embassy claimed that it is to stop abusers .. like, when the guy goes to the British Embassy, the British Embassy sees the US embassy rejection, and like clock work, reject the visa as well ... anyway, no point dwelling on it ..

All of that is NOT in the US embassy in Singapore, and well .. nothing..

If a person is applying to get Student visa, and he / she has sufficient funds, whether US Immigration rejected the visa HAS NO BEARING, says me .. as I know scores who have been rejected US visa, ended up in UK or Australia, to continue their higher studies ..

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Post by JR8 » Sat, 24 Dec 2011 9:49 pm

Thanks Squirrel, but I have been through the process myself, know the various grounds for rejection, but wanted to hear from the OP.

Insufficient ties to the home country is a common ground for rejection, but for good reason. In a country the size of the US it is not so hard to enter and disappear off the radar. That is what they are protecting against, and if I was in the White House I'd certainly maintain that policy.

Then you have the issue of certain nationalities being, er, shall we say rather keen to emigrate to more developed nations, and a student visa is a well known back-door in.

As Singapore is so small and its easy to control it's immigration there might be less of a problem.

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Post by ecureilx » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:55 am

JR8 wrote:Insufficient ties to the home country is a common ground for rejection, but for good reason.
I would add one more .. "You just look like the type who will not leave US once you enter .. " is also a possible reason for rejection :D

But, then again, post 9-11, the US immigration has been less forthcoming in the reasons for rejection, and I don't blame them .. and in any case, every country is tightening their immigration policies, of course, even Singapore is no exception as can be seen from the immigration changes .. :)
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Post by zzm9980 » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 9:26 am

Yeah, US Visas can get rejected for almost any reason at all at the whim of the consular officer.

Your Visa interview is similar to the immigration screenings you might get when you arrive in the US: "Why are you here? You live here, well, what were you doing over there? Why would you want to go on vacation over there?" Etc. Asinine obnoxious sounding questions, but the officers are feeling you out and trying to read you for things. The consular officer will do the same thing. A lot of times, they've made their decision 99% before they even talk to you based on submitted paperwork. And no offense to the OP, if quality of the paperwork was even remotely similar to your post, then you were probably rejected before your number was even called.

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Post by zzm9980 » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 9:38 am

Another thing I've heard a lot is that the implementation of the law is up to each individual embassy, China, India and Vietnam being the toughest (and who could guess why? :p ).

But I think most of the OPs country-men know that, which is why they will collect PRs in an "easy" place like Singapore so they can apply via that Embassy instead.

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Post by ecureilx » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 9:42 am

zzm9980 wrote: But I think most of the OPs country-men know that, which is why they will collect PRs in an "easy" place like Singapore so they can apply via that Embassy instead.
That's a myth :D

Atleast for Singapore, the US Embassy has low weightage for PRs, unless the PR owns a house and has his / her family here .. or so I understand ..

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:17 am

zzm9980 wrote:Yeah, US Visas can get rejected for almost any reason at all at the whim of the consular officer.

Your Visa interview is similar to the immigration screenings you might get when you arrive in the US: "Why are you here? You live here, well, what were you doing over there? Why would you want to go on vacation over there?" Etc. Asinine obnoxious sounding questions, but the officers are feeling you out and trying to read you for things. The consular officer will do the same thing. A lot of times, they've made their decision 99% before they even talk to you based on submitted paperwork. And no offense to the OP, if quality of the paperwork was even remotely similar to your post, then you were probably rejected before your number was even called.
As one who had a VERY close relationship with the US Immigration Officer stationed here in Singapore during the late 80's & early '90's I can guarantee, zzm9980, that your are absolutely correct. I used to work for the US Resettlement program under the auspice of the UNHCR back then resettling VN refugees throughout SE Asia but primarily in P. Galang. But I spent 2 weeks a month preparing cases for US Immigration and had lots of conversations with the immigration officer who actually shared our offices on the 32 floor of the International Plaza on Anson Road back then (before the new US "fortress" was built.

Profiling is not as new as some people think.

edited to correct acronym to UNHCR
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Post by Aniarc » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 7:43 pm

maters = masters :p ( :@ damn u spell checker )

Yes they rejected me on grounds of potential immigrant . ( Visa Denied under 214(b)) .
VO asked me only 4 questions.
which univ ?
why this univ ?
why this course ?
u have any friends/relatives ?

and then BANG!!!! :(

and now i am planning to apply for Singapore.

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Post by zzm9980 » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 8:32 pm

You may have actually then had a shot to explain why you were absolutely in love with that school and curriculum for a reason other than it being in the US, but probably didn't answer well enough. Oh well. I guess it's good practice for you in a few years when you'll be swearing up and down about how all you ever wanted to be was a Singapore PR. :)

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Post by JR8 » Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:57 pm

zzm9980 wrote:You may have actually then had a shot to explain why you were absolutely in love with that school and curriculum for a reason other than it being in the US, but probably didn't answer well enough. Oh well. I guess it's good practice for you in a few years when you'll be swearing up and down about how all you ever wanted to be was a Singapore PR. :)

Hehehe... yes you have to make a convincing case. Being nosey (don't answer if you don't want to) do you have friends/family there?

I went through the same crap, but was lucky that the person I was going to see was at that point in time only going to be in the US for one more year before returning to her home country. Due to her specific circumstances I could make a 100% bulletproof case of why/how that was a fact. Otherwise I reckon they might have refused me too (my employment is quite mobile and unorthodox as well, which hardly helped).

Back to your questions... note these are my 2 cents, and I'm no expert.

1) as mentioned, SG can tightly control immigration, so I think they are much less concerned about 'flight risk' than the US.

2) ask the college admissions office how to proceed. They might already have a FAQ with this info in it.

3) I'm unaware that you have to make a declaration of liabilities. (I have completed official forms that ask for assets to be listed though). Look at the student visa application form, that will answer your question.

4) You would hope so, it certainly shouldn't be a hindrance!

>>>'The most important question is will my visa get denied ?'

Unfortunately no one can say. The Uni's again would be the best people to tell you.

>>>'the only problem is my visa got rejected 3 times by US embassy. Will it gonna cause any trouble? '

You got rejected on the same grounds three times over, that isn't going to look great to anyone in immigration. But as far as I see it the decision on any SG visa will be made before they see your passport. In which case, the US rejection stamps are perhaps irrelevant.

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Re: Need advise (visa rejected 3 by US )

Post by zzm9980 » Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:24 am

Aniarc wrote:Hi ,
In last 2 years my VISA has been rejected 3 times by us embassy .
One thing I forgot to ask... If your visa was rejected three times, did you submit substantially different applications all three times, or provide additional material each time? If not, why did you keep applying? Take it as another life lesson.

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