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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 07 Dec 2011 5:51 pm

laksaawesome wrote:
ecureilx wrote:well, if the company is so terrible as you say, you can write in to MOM, and seek their advice to self cancel. MOM, in very rare cases, have cancelled, and that was many years ago.

You can try, than to exile yourself from Singapore ..

Any eeny meeny clue about the company ?? South Asia, South East Asia, North Asia, West Asia, East Europe, Western Europe, Africa ,??


Yes, you are right. No harm trying. Would you know if forward copy of resignation email with me is legal proof?










Clue is if I say you the region you know which country. I see you no suggest America, but that is not the case.


Well, you can print it, attach a cover letter, and a copy of your Pass, your stamp / exit from Singapore (which you may not have if you had your Pass with you when you left), arrival stamp in your own country, if such exists, and a send them and pray, so MOM can advice so you can send the same to IRAS to clear up your taxes.

And Pray hard ..

PS: I didn't include America because there are 3 America actually LOL (no offense to Americans)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 07 Dec 2011 9:06 pm

Squirrel, I know you are crazy as a loon, but prey tell, what are the "three" america countries? The topic is about countries, not continents. Have you let your bulldog mouth overload your hummingbird butt again? And why such a nosey poker when the guy has told you he prefers not to divulge that information. Sure I'd like to know as well, but frankly he has his reasons, and he's already in deep brown stuff.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 07 Dec 2011 9:11 pm

laksaawesome wrote:Few their country people who is PR now, almost no Singaporeans and I was the only other Chinese.


This is an interesting statement though. You are saying you are Chinese? With your nick? And an Indian IP address?

Or, are you mixed up and meant to say, you was the only NON-Chinese?

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Postby revhappy » Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:01 pm

One thing I dont understand is the OP seems very well educated from his English. He is also very aware of the tax laws and knew the percentage even before we told him. That somehow doesn't gel with the fact that he didn't try to find out what his responsibilities are before leaving the country. I am pretty sure he did a runner intentionally.

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Postby laksaawesome » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 6:05 am

Mixed race. Currently in India. Didn't mean only non-Chinese. And tax rate was told to me by my employer.

Intentional runner? Yeah I intentionally left Singapore not having immediate plans to return. Didn't know it'll end up being a "runner" since I never knew you have to return S pass. What am I to gain discussing with you guys if it was a deliberate runner?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 7:36 am

laksaawesome wrote:Mixed race. Currently in India. Didn't mean only non-Chinese. And tax rate was told to me by my employer.

Intentional runner? Yeah I intentionally left Singapore not having immediate plans to return. Didn't know it'll end up being a "runner" since I never knew you have to return S pass. What am I to gain discussing with you guys if it was a deliberate runner?


Ah, C'mon, chill out will you !! You are getting on the defense. We gain nothing out of this. You see, your post initially was very brief , hence we need to poke abit, push abit, plug abit in order to give you a "bare all and see no touch advice" I do not think we are making fun nor humiliate you. You came to us, remember? The people here has alot of experience and we will try to point out the best solution for your predicament.
At least, now you realise what you have gotten yourself into. Whether you are a runner or not, only you can answer that for yourself but at least settle the issue with MOM and IRAS as you do not want to be caught while transiting thru Singapore later down the road.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 9:13 am

Why did you not physically hand your employer a written letter of resignation?

Were you in Singapore when you sent the email to the employer?

After you sent the email, did you work for the month that you claim you gave notice of?

How did you collect your salary that the company said they paid you for?

Where you go on leave when you decided to not return to Singapore?

You see, when you don't give us sufficient data to work with, we can only work on our own assumptions. As each of us have different backgrounds and have dealt with difference cases, our thought processes are considerably different, hence the varying responses. You have to give us the facts and as much as possible as so many scenarios can be played out as you have seen.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 9:52 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Squirrel, I know you are crazy as a loon, but prey tell, what are the "three" america countries? The topic is about countries, not continents.


Well, I was going add more smileys, but seems I missed that though ..

And .. Americas: since we are talking continents, I was thinking NA, LA and A :D :D as the OP refused to divulge the 'country' and I was having a slow day I guess ..

Peace ..

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Postby laksaawesome » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 4:17 pm

Yes, I understand. You guys need to know to help me. I also understand that if I suggest fictional facts, I'll get help for a situation in which those fictional facts hold - making advice I get not useful. So I wouldn't want to do that.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:1. Why did you not physically hand your employer a written letter of resignation?

2. Were you in Singapore when you sent the email to the employer?

3. After you sent the email, did you work for the month that you claim you gave notice of?

4. How did you collect your salary that the company said they paid you for?

5. Where you go on leave when you decided to not return to Singapore?


1. Since all transactions where electronic I thought this would also be so. From offer letter to visa - everything was electronic.

2. I was in Singapore when that happened.

3. Yes I did. And few extra days.

4. Deposit in account.

5. No leave. I thought my period was over - one senior employee had asked me once that wasn't my notice period over. So I left.

I almost accepted it now that I can't go to Singapore anymore. From what you guys have helped me with - I very grateful for it - there doesn't seem to be easy way out. Don't have money or time for legal battle. No communication with MNC now.

If anyone of you ever come HK, let me take you out sometime. I mean it. :)

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 4:27 pm

laksaawesome wrote:1. Since all transactions where electronic I thought this would also be so. From offer letter to visa - everything was electronic.


You mean, you didn't ever sign any contract and all was electronic ? WOW ..

5. No leave. I thought my period was over - one senior employee had asked me once that wasn't my notice period over. So I left.

I almost accepted it now that I can't go to Singapore anymore. From what you guys have helped me with - I very grateful for it - there doesn't seem to be easy way out. Don't have money or time for legal battle. No communication with MNC now.


I was not gonna say anything much, but you make is sound like it's the end of the world. Of course, if you want to blacklist yourself from Singapore, go ahead.

As I said, there are ways and methods to clear up the issue .. and it is not gonna cost you any LEGAL BATTLE ..

Have a wonderful day

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Postby laksaawesome » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 4:50 pm

Haha! Not end of the world, I know. And I can meet my friends in Malaysia like you suggest - I was sacred for a moment that my international travel (at least in that region because Singapore has ties) may be affected.

And I'm definitely write to MOM for that rare possibility like you suggest. :)

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 5:23 pm

laksaawesome wrote:Haha! Not end of the world, I know. And I can meet my friends in Malaysia like you suggest - I was sacred for a moment that my international travel (at least in that region because Singapore has ties) may be affected.

And I'm definitely write to MOM for that rare possibility like you suggest. :)


If you are off with more than a resignation, you may get a knock on your door LOL

Well, remember to "WRITE IN", not EMAIL IN !!!!

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 5:37 pm

laksaawesome wrote:Haha! Not end of the world, I know. And I can meet my friends in Malaysia like you suggest - I was sacred for a moment that my international travel (at least in that region because Singapore has ties) may be affected.

And I'm definitely write to MOM for that rare possibility like you suggest. :)


I think your story is persuasive, and so you should definitely seek to clear up any outstanding matters with MOM/IRAS.

Not being able to visit SG ever again due to your non-action over what seems like a minor matter would be rather a needless future burden.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:48 pm

Did you get acknowledgment that they received the email resignation? I'm assuming that you did, even if it was verbal because you indicated that they wouldn't accept it.

Do you have the electronic softcopy of the email resignation that was sent (the timestamped one in your sent folder on your email client?). If so, definitely go to/write MOM and let them know this as this will put the burden of proof on the MNC and not yourself as to why they did not timely file the IR-21 Tax Clearance (only takes around 7-10 days for IRAS to clear but the employer needs to file in one month before your last day according to your resignation letter.

They cannot "refuse" to accept a resignation letter for a low level position. Again, doing so, makes a mockery of the original letter of offer which should have spelt out the conditions of resignation (I'm assuming that the letter indicted the notice period required.

So, returning you S Pass and explaining to MOM would go a long way to sorting out your problem. Not contacting them and IRAS would have you flagged if you come back to Singapore for non-payment of taxes. I believe you can sort this out with some courier service and some mail between yourself and MOM & IRAS. (And some phone bills probably would be in order as well).


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