PR application. Alone or together with spouse

ben8118 · Post by **ben8118** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:21 am

Hi,

I'm a Malaysian chinese currently under employement pass P2 and planning to lodge my PR application early next year. By that time I will have clocked up 9 months ++ working in Singapore. My wife is also currently under EP and we have the same period of time as me working in Singapore. She is currently pregnant.

My questions are:
1) I read from the ICA website that I need to download the PR application form and to apply, I need to make an appointment and submit the necessary docs. Is it advisable to apply PR seperately or should she apply under dependent on my behalf?
2) Any update or news on how long is the processing time? I understand that you guys encourage PR application after 2 years or work but in my circumstances, we would like to start a family and settle down in Singapore e.g getting our own flat etc.

Appreciate your feedback, advice and comments.

carteki · Post by **carteki** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:30 pm

ben8118 wrote:I understand that you guys encourage PR application after 2 years or work but in my circumstances, we would like to start a family and settle down in Singapore e.g getting our own flat etc.

Appreciate your feedback, advice and comments.

Were you expecting a different answer?

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:36 pm

ben8118 wrote:Hi,

I'm a Malaysian chinese currently under employement pass P2 and planning to lodge my PR application early next year. By that time I will have clocked up 9 months ++ working in Singapore. My wife is also currently under EP and we have the same period of time as me working in Singapore. She is currently pregnant.

My questions are:
1) I read from the ICA website that I need to download the PR application form and to apply, I need to make an appointment and submit the necessary docs. Is it advisable to apply PR seperately or should she apply under dependent on my behalf?
2) Any update or news on how long is the processing time? I understand that you guys encourage PR application after 2 years or work but in my circumstances, we would like to start a family and settle down in Singapore e.g getting our own flat etc.

Appreciate your feedback, advice and comments.

What is the reason of you applying separately since you are already married and both of you are holding EP on your own ?
Methinks you want to do this way just in case wifey give birth to a boy and child will be a second PR which in turns has to serve NS when he turns 18. Just want to eat the cake but not wanting to share it, issit?
Or if you got approve and you can always bring your child under LTSVP
Or wife can apply under DP for child
All these plans just to circumvent the NS obligation.
If this is so, I've got bad news for you hombre, It aint gonna work !!

How am I doing so far ?

ben8118 · Post by **ben8118** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 1:55 pm

Do not get me wrong. I would love to apply all together because I believe it is easier and less complicated. But my company HR mentioned that it’s better to apply separately just in case if anything goes wrong with my application, then my spouse will not be affected. This goes back to the EP as well. I was issued with a dependent pass for my spouse. After my spouse got a job, I cancel off the dependent pass as her company applies the EP for her. Let’s say if anything happen to my EP say if I did not manage to get an extension, my spouse will be affected as well if her EP is tied up with mine.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 2:58 pm

Her EP cannot be tied to yours. Unless she is NOT on an EP but on a Letter of Consent.

ben8118 · Post by **ben8118** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 3:46 pm

Hi sundaymorningstaple,

For this PR application, should I apply together with spouse or let her apply her own? We are planning to apply the same time. Just that whether it is in one same application or separate.

The HR mentioned that for both spouse to apply separately is better as both applications are not tied together. Meaning if in the future either side decides to let go the PR, then the other party would not be affected.

It is not about running away from the NS obligation. That one is not an issue for us. After all, as I've mentioned we are planning to settle down. If only one party is a PR and the other party is not, how are we able to buy a resale flat. I'm very sure you know about the eligibility for PR on purchasing resale flat.

Post by **singaporeflyer** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 3:54 pm

ben8118 wrote:Hi sundaymorningstaple,

The HR mentioned that for both spouse to apply separately is better as both applications are not tied together. Meaning if in the future either side decides to let go the PR, then the other party would not be affected.

If you are not sure to take PR for being permanent here and have chances to let go your PR in future why do you want to take it? Better to remain on EP?

In your PR application, even if you don't apply PR for your spouse, you are supposed to fill the details of your spouse, which will show them that your spouse is working in SG.

In that case, if you try to apply for you alone, then the result can be known now itself. It is a clear case of not taking PR with a real intention of staying here.

If it was a real intention of staying here, you would be applying for the whole family and not you alone.

ben8118 · Post by **ben8118** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:05 pm

U guys did not read my message properly.
I mentioned that we will lodge the application at the same time. It's either in one same application or separate application. And I also mentioned we are settling down here.

What do you mean by not sure to take PR for being permanent here. Do you yourself know what is going to happen in the next 10 years? You can't even foresee what will happen the next day.

Seems that you guys are not helping but being sarcastic.

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:06 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
ben8118 wrote:Hi sundaymorningstaple,

The HR mentioned that for both spouse to apply separately is better as both applications are not tied together. Meaning if in the future either side decides to let go the PR, then the other party would not be affected.
If you are not sure to take PR for being permanent here and have chances to let go your PR in future why do you want to take it? Better to remain on EP?

In your PR application, even if you don't apply PR for your spouse, you are supposed to fill the details of your spouse, which will show them that your spouse is working in SG.

In that case, if you try to apply for you alone, then the result can be known now itself. It is a clear case of not taking PR with a real intention of staying here.

If it was a real intention of staying here, you would be applying for the whole family and not you alone.

He has already given a hint. HDB resale flat

revhappy · Post by **revhappy** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:11 pm

ben8118 wrote:U guys did not read my message properly.
I mentioned that we will lodge the application at the same time. It's either in one same application or separate application. And I also mentioned we are settling down here.

What do you mean by not sure to take PR for being permanent here. Do you yourself know what is going to happen in the next 10 years? You can't even foresee what will happen the next day.

Seems that you guys are not helping but being sarcastic.

Well, I understand exactly where you come from. Your situation is slightly different from the others. The others mostly have their wifes as dependants and hence got no choice but have to apply as PR dependant. But you have a choice as your wife is also an EP holder and so she can get PR on her own merits.

But, never the less, I would imagine you will have stronger chance if you apply together compared to the rest of the herd. If you apply seperately, you never know, both of you might get rejected! Do you want to take that chance?

Cheers!
Good luck.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:30 pm

It's much better to apply as a family as this shows the ICA that you are serious about the family staying together and a unit here. Otherwise, it would appear that you 'might' be just trying to get an unlimited "visa" in case one of you lose your job, that way the one on PR can pick up the other on a LTVP. Or, in other words, play-play with the gahmen. It's the Play-play that's part of the reason for the animosity against foreigners who take up PR at the moment in the first place.

On a family application both will be listed and both will have their current visa statuses on there so the gahmen will look at both and this will also give stronger credibility to the family application. (e.g., they will determine if the PR should be given on the Family Scheme or individually on the PTS scheme. However, if you each apply separately then you will only be accorded the PTS scheme which mean even though the other will be listed, you are saying you do not want to be considered as a family unit. You choice.......

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:31 pm

On a separate note, if you apply separately, and only one gets PR, the gahmen has been known to "NOT" give the other one and LTVP if they lose their EP.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:00 pm

ben8118 wrote:U guys did not read my message properly.
I mentioned that we will lodge the application at the same time. It's either in one same application or separate application. And I also mentioned we are settling down here.

Ok good if you want to settle down in SG hence you need to apply as a family. The rate of approval is definitely better compare to individual. Moreover you are Chinese which is the flavour of the month

What do you mean by not sure to take PR for being permanent here. Do you yourself know what is going to happen in the next 10 years? You can't even foresee what will happen the next day.

Nowadays before the GE many FT collect PR but did not stay permanent. SO they chabut and when the REP going to expires , they came running back and ask tolong tolong.. si liao beh sai chao, mate chut liao !!
No one can predict the next 10 years that is why your PR only last for 5 years. Gahmen only looking for people that going to stay beyond the 5 years time. Tong Pu Tong ?

Seems that you guys are not helping but being sarcastic.

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:04 pm

ben8118 wrote:Hi,

I'm a Malaysian chinese currently under employement pass P2 and planning to lodge my PR application early next year. By that time I will have clocked up 9 months ++ working in Singapore. My wife is also currently under EP and we have the same period of time as me working in Singapore. She is currently pregnant.

My questions are:
1) I read from the ICA website that I need to download the PR application form and to apply, I need to make an appointment and submit the necessary docs. Is it advisable to apply PR seperately or should she apply under dependent on my behalf?
2) Any update or news on how long is the processing time? I understand that you guys encourage PR application after 2 years or work but in my circumstances, we would like to start a family and settle down in Singapore e.g getting our own flat etc.

Appreciate your feedback, advice and comments.

How do you intend to provide the last 3 years Income Tax assesments to support your application?

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:25 pm

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