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Help Regarding Tenancy Agreement

Post by mainsp » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 6:10 am

Hello Everyone,

I am a PEP holder coming to Singapore in a week or so. I am trying to rent a flat before I arrive in Singapore.

I received a contract agreement from one person who lives outside Singapore right now. The agreement has a title "contract licence agreement". That contract is only signed by her lawyer. When I asked her why she did not sign it, she said that this flat is owned by her mother and she has been using the same method and contract form to rent it in the past. I asked for a copy of ownership certificate / title, she said the only thing she can provide me is a copy of her passport and her membership in UK landlord association. She have requested to make first month + security deposit through western union to her. She said she would send the keys by DHL after payment receipt through wetern union.

Just wondering if anyone has been through such process and can share the experience. Are there any risks involved here? Or would it be better for me to come here and then lease the apartment.

Is there anything else I need to know while dealing landlords who are outside of Singapore / sending them money through western union?

I greatly appreciate your time in advance.

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Post by ecureilx » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 7:25 am

mainsp wrote:Hello Everyone,

I am a PEP holder coming to Singapore in a week or so. I am trying to rent a flat before I arrive in Singapore.

I received a contract agreement from one person who lives outside Singapore right now. The agreement has a title "contract licence agreement". That contract is only signed by her lawyer. When I asked her why she did not sign it, she said that this flat is owned by her mother and she has been using the same method and contract form to rent it in the past. I asked for a copy of ownership certificate / title, she said the only thing she can provide me is a copy of her passport and her membership in UK landlord association. She have requested to make first month + security deposit through western union to her. She said she would send the keys by DHL after payment receipt through wetern union.

Just wondering if anyone has been through such process and can share the experience. Are there any risks involved here? Or would it be better for me to come here and then lease the apartment.

Is there anything else I need to know while dealing landlords who are outside of Singapore / sending them money through western union?

I greatly appreciate your time in advance.
I too have an apartment to rent, when can you send the money by western union ?? :D :D

Seriously, I am not sure, but sound dodgy

I would rather suggest you do what everybody does, when they come here.

Get a hotel stay / Serviced Apartment (if you can afford it) and then scout and confirm

If you are in a rush, well, you can take your chances ..

Out of curiosity, how much is the 'number' you are talking here ? Like what is the monthly rental ?

Oh, before you think it is a Singapore scam, it is almost always a scam outside Singapore .. like try to search for loans, and 99.9% of the loan offers are Nigerians/Sierra Leonians/Mexicans ..

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Post by x9200 » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 8:56 am

mainsp wrote:Hello Everyone,

I am a PEP holder coming to Singapore in a week or so. I am trying to rent a flat before I arrive in Singapore.

You are a PEP holder (you collected it?) or you are a holder of IPA (In Principle Approval) for PEP? If the 2nd you can not rent any flat legally in Singapore.


I received a contract agreement from one person who lives outside Singapore right now. The agreement has a title "contract licence agreement". That contract is only signed by her lawyer. When I asked her why she did not sign it, she said that this flat is owned by her mother and she has been using the same method and contract form to rent it in the past. I asked for a copy of ownership certificate / title, she said the only thing she can provide me is a copy of her passport and her membership in UK landlord association. She have requested to make first month + security deposit through western union to her. She said she would send the keys by DHL after payment receipt through wetern union.

Just wondering if anyone has been through such process and can share the experience. Are there any risks involved here? Or would it be better for me to come here and then lease the apartment.

Is there anything else I need to know while dealing landlords who are outside of Singapore / sending them money through western union?

I greatly appreciate your time in advance.
Sounds like a classical scam.

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Post by richie303 » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 9:01 am

There are plenty of places for rent in Singapore, I'd just come over stay in a hostel for a couple of weeks and do it properly! this sounds like a major scam!
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Post by the lynx » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 9:06 am

I would strongly advise against this dealing!

It always, always a better idea to view the apartment yourself and speak to the landlady in person before signing on the dotted line.

If I were you, I would get my hands on few possible options and then stay at hotels or crash in a friend's place for a few days while looking around.

Sounds fishy to me!

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Post by JR8 » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 9:08 am

A property you've never seen.
From a person you've never met.
With an irrevocable payment to Western Union of all places.

[slap, slap, slap, wake up!]

It is already reported that these methods (i.e. fraudulent) are in use for some adverts on Craig's List. In any case, it stinks!

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Post by BillyB » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 2:44 pm

Send her an envelope full of horse shit and sign the contract, Love Red Rum......

It's blatant con. I'm surprised she even gave you an address, and didn't simply say it's a wotif mystery deal and you'll find details of the apartment on arrival - there'll be an umpa lumpa waiting at Changi ready to take you to the mystery apartment...

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Post by mainsp » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 2:54 pm

Thanks everyone for your valuable advice. I will be booking a hotel for first couple of weeks and then look for the apartment while here in Singapore.

Cheers :) :) :)

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Post by JR8 » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 6:28 pm

BillyB wrote: you'll find details of the apartment on arrival - there'll be an umpa lumpa waiting at Changi ready to take you to the mystery apartment...
You don't even get the umpa lumpas on arrival, the keys are DHLd to you. 100% audit-trail free (not least because you won't be getting any keys).


Mainsp, it would be very useful to people here and those who arrive in future if you could advise how this apartment came to your attention. If it was advertised, where was that? Thanks.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:00 pm

Wanna bet it was Craigslist?
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by mainsp » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 4:55 pm

JR8 wrote:
BillyB wrote: you'll find details of the apartment on arrival - there'll be an umpa lumpa waiting at Changi ready to take you to the mystery apartment...
You don't even get the umpa lumpas on arrival, the keys are DHLd to you. 100% audit-trail free (not least because you won't be getting any keys).


Mainsp, it would be very useful to people here and those who arrive in future if you could advise how this apartment came to your attention. If it was advertised, where was that? Thanks.
These flats were listed on www.share-accommodation.sg. I was contacted by three of them and all of them seem a scam as they were living outside Singapre and were asking for western union deposit.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 5:30 pm

.sg URLs are dodgy at best. The more trustworthy sites will be .com.sg
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by x9200 » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 6:43 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:.sg URLs are dodgy at best. The more trustworthy sites will be .com.sg
Say they are doggy if content and owner different from .com.sg.

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