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Postby jdanthony77 » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 3:25 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
jdanthony77 wrote:Checked with LTA. Dependent's pass means she's considered resident and can't drive her MY car in.

Thanks!


Show me where does it states a DP residing overseas albeit in JB cannot drive a Malaysian Car.

You can get access card at both end but it is more for foot travellers. I am not sure about those travelling by car.
I used to have EP and Gold card SVP on Malaysia side hence I do not need to fill up forms just the stamp.


I will look into the Gold Card and access card, both seem like a good option.

Doesn't state ANYWHERE! But I sent LTA a mail, and that was the response I got. Best not risk it, I don't mind dealing with red tape, but the wife might go nuclear....
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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 5:05 pm

jdanthony77 wrote:Doesn't state ANYWHERE! But I sent LTA a mail, and that was the response I got. Best not risk it, I don't mind dealing with red tape, but the wife might go nuclear....


Which accounts to NOTHING. !! As we disseminate infos among us, if you have something new that we are not aware of then please share it, you can use photobucket and paste your comms here. You can erase all names etc, just the comms from LTA. I would like to comb it with fine tooth comb
It is important to me and others as we would benefit and correct our misconception
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Response from LTA

Postby jdanthony77 » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 5:09 pm

vep_feedback@lta.gov.sg

17:56 (23 hours ago)

to me
Dear Mr XXX

Thank you for writing to LTA on 5 Nov 2011. You wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I currently live in Malaysia and will be taking up employment in Singapore shortly. We are planning on living in Johor and commuting daily. I have a few enquiries regarding driving a foreign-registered vehicle in Singapore.

1) I will be on an employment pass. Can I drive my Malysian registered car into Singapore daily?

2) My wife will be on a Singapore dependant's pass (she is a British citizen with no residency in Malaysia) will she be allowed to drive her Malaysian registered car into Singapore daily?

3) Will I have to convert my MY driver's license to an SG one?

4) Will my wife need to convert her British driver's license to a SG one?

Thanking you in advance for your assistance.

Regards
XXX

My answers to your queries are as follow:

1) Any employment pass holder, who is neither a Singapore Permanent Resident (SPR) nor a resident of Singapore, may drive a foreign-registered car and motorcycle in Singapore only if ALL these conditions are met:
i) he is the registered owner of the vehicle
ii) he resides outside Singapore;
iii) the vehicle is kept or used outside Singapore for a total period of 6 hours or more everyday;
iv) he has a valid insurance certificate and road tax for the use of the vehicle on Singapore roads; and
v) the vehicle has an Autopass Card to validate its entry/exit at Woodlands and Tuas checkpoints and for payment of Vehicle Entry Permit/Toll charges.

2) If your wife is a dependant pass holder, she will be deemed as a resident of Singapore.

A person is a resident of Singapore, or is deemed to have taken up residence in Singapore, if he resides in Singapore for a continuous period of 6 months and any temporary period or periods of absence during that period of 6 months is immaterial.

Under Section 12 of the Road Traffic Act, a citizen of Singapore, a Singapore permanent resident (SPR), a resident of Singapore or the holder of a work pass (employment pass, or work permit issued by Ministry of Manpower), is not allowed to use or keep a foreign-registered (including Malaysia-registered) vehicle without first paying the relevant vehicle's registration tax as if it is first registered and used in Singapore. The intent is to equalize the cost of owning and using foreign-registered vehicles in Singapore with local-registered ones. After payment of registration tax, its entry is regulated under Vehicle Entry Permit Scheme.

For questions 3) and 4), kindly refer to the Traffic Police website: http://driving-in-singapore.spf.gov.sg/ ... ersion.htm

Please contact our Customer Service Hotline at 1800-CALL LTA (1800-2255582) or email us at vep_feedback@lta.gov.sg if you need further clarification.

Sincerely
XXX
Foreign Vehicle Permits Division
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Postby teck21 » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:13 pm

I don't understand why your wife would be having a Singapore Dependent Pass? Wouldn't she be on a Malaysian DP after you move to Johor?

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Re: Response from LTA

Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 3:33 am

jdanthony77 wrote:2) If your wife is a dependant pass holder, she will be deemed as a resident of Singapore.

A person is a resident of Singapore, or is deemed to have taken up residence in Singapore, if he resides in Singapore for a continuous period of 6 months and any temporary period or periods of absence during that period of 6 months is immaterial.

Under Section 12 of the Road Traffic Act, a citizen of Singapore, a Singapore permanent resident (SPR), a resident of Singapore or the holder of a work pass (employment pass, or work permit issued by Ministry of Manpower), is not allowed to use or keep a foreign-registered (including Malaysia-registered) vehicle without first paying the relevant vehicle's registration tax as if it is first registered and used in Singapore. The intent is to equalize the cost of owning and using foreign-registered vehicles in Singapore with local-registered ones. After payment of registration tax, its entry is regulated under Vehicle Entry Permit Scheme.

For questions 3) and 4), kindly refer to the Traffic Police website: http://driving-in-singapore.spf.gov.sg/ ... ersion.htm

Please contact our Customer Service Hotline at 1800-CALL LTA (1800-2255582) or email us at vep_feedback@lta.gov.sg if you need further clarification.

Sincerely
XXX
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Land Transport Authority


OP , Many Thanks

Your assumption is incorrect.
First of all she does not reside in SG. In order to faill into this category she needs to have a valid resident in SG. Since you are residing in JB, she does not faill into this category
Second, she does not resides 6 months continously
Third she is not on work pass but a dependent pass hence she is not working
Fourth, I have many close friend residing in JB and commuting back and forth be it EP holders or DP . None of them have issued at all to my knowledge. Some of them used to be my ex-staff.
As Tek has pointed out, why is your wife not holding a LTSVP in Malaysia albeit Malaysia DP

http://www.imi.gov.my/index.php?option= ... 63&lang=en
Read the LTSVP requirement

LTSVP Malaysia
http://www.imi.gov.my/index.php?option= ... 35&lang=en

Or if you wish to go thru this My second home
http://www.mm2h.gov.my/

Your initial post states that once you move to JB, your wife will lose his EP but she can transfer to a Malaysia DP . Go to THE MALL in front of Pan Pacific, there are many outlet that provide this service to apply for you to the Immigration Deparment. It is on the 5th or 6th Floor
There are many ways to live legally in Malaysia. Once you sort this out then on do the SG side.
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Postby jdanthony77 » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23 am

@ Mad Scientist : Many thanks for sorting out my confusion. This is what I shall do!

Btw, do you by any chance live in the Nusajaya/Gelang Patah area, and do you have any recommendations on where to rent?

Biggest problem at the mo': must be dog-friendly, and I hear Leisure Farm isn't.
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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:51 am

Sorry I cannot help you on that bit. Just do not like the area
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Postby okla » Wed, 14 Dec 2011 6:43 pm

Hi, glad to know that you are moving down to Johor....

I am starting my new job in Singapore February and my husband and I are moving to Johor and commute to SIN to work too. condo/house in SIN is just way too costly. We are going to see houses in East Ledang this week. Hopefully, we can get something we like.

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Postby okla » Wed, 14 Dec 2011 9:45 pm

Hi jdanthony77,

Love to exchange. I am a newbie, PM is not allowed, not sure why.

M.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:32 pm

Because you are a newbie. Once you have 5 reasonable posts you PM function will activate. Garbage posts will just be deleted so try contributing something rather than just being a user.

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Postby ausinsg » Tue, 20 Dec 2011 1:11 am

I have a staff member who is malaysian, held an EP and lived in JB. He was able to drive his Malaysian registered vehicle into Singapore. However when he became a Singaporean PR, he needed to purchase a Singapore registered vehicle.

When you drive out of Singapore they have signs near the immigration booth stating that if you are a Singapore resident then you cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle in Singapore.

I think the key is where you are residing and how to prove this. Obviously a Malaysian citizen living in Malaysia has no problems. I was told by this employee, that I would need to have a Malaysian driving licence, as well as be living in JB to be able to drive a foreign registered vehicle into Singapore. It made sense to me as holding a driver's licence for the country is one way of showing that I am a resident there.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 20 Dec 2011 2:55 am

ausinsg wrote:I have a staff member who is malaysian, held an EP and lived in JB. He was able to drive his Malaysian registered vehicle into Singapore. However when he became a Singaporean PR, he needed to purchase a Singapore registered vehicle.

Correct

When you drive out of Singapore they have signs near the immigration booth stating that if you are a Singapore resident then you cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle in Singapore.

Incorrect, you can visit LTA website for this. There is guideline to adhere to of course !!

I think the key is where you are residing and how to prove this. Obviously a Malaysian citizen living in Malaysia has no problems. I was told by this employee, that I would need to have a Malaysian driving licence, as well as be living in JB to be able to drive a foreign registered vehicle into Singapore. It made sense to me as holding a driver's licence for the country is one way of showing that I am a resident there.

Incorrect, you can use an AA Foreign Driving Permit registered in SG or Malaysia to drive a Malaysian car. You do not need to a resident there. If you are holding SG DL , you can only use it for a year in Malaysia if you are a resident per se. Renting is not considered as resident. This rule is subjective but as long as you are a Malaysian, you need a Malaysia DL. If you hold, My 2nd Home visa, M'sia EP or renting there you do not need a M'sia D/L. The best option is AA Foreign Driving Permit. Anyway to get a M'sia D/L , is easy. Far easier compare to SG

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Postby teck21 » Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:16 am

Mad Scientist wrote: The best option is AA Foreign Driving Permit. Anyway to get a M'sia D/L , is easy. Far easier compare to SG


Except I hear the theory test for that is in Malay! Might be an issue for ummm, some.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:17 am

teck21 wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote: The best option is AA Foreign Driving Permit. Anyway to get a M'sia D/L , is easy. Far easier compare to SG


Except I hear the theory test for that is in Malay! Might be an issue for ummm, some.


And did some 'coffee' fix that ?? LOL :D :D

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Postby the lynx » Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:24 am

teck21 wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote: The best option is AA Foreign Driving Permit. Anyway to get a M'sia D/L , is easy. Far easier compare to SG


Except I hear the theory test for that is in Malay! Might be an issue for ummm, some.


No need to take exam. Depending on which category the issuing country belongs to, but most of first world countries and developing countries are exempted.

Refer to this list here http://www.mm2h.gov.my/pdf/mm2h11.pdf
It also states the phases of exams one (unlucky license holder) has to take in order to convert.

Edit: Typos...


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