European ID

skidrow191 · Post by **skidrow191** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 1:14 pm

Hi, I need some advice on my situation. I'm a Singapore Citizen but also eligible for Citizenship of a European Country. My birth is registered in that country which makes me eligible. I have never held an ID or passport of that country. I want to keep my Singapore Citizenship however would like to apply for a European ID card as it would greatly aide in travelling between my frequent trips to the EU (using the EU only line at immigration). I don't intend to apply for a European passport. Would I be breaking any rules if I kept a EU ID card along with my SC? Many Thanks.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 2:35 pm

Surely to get the id you have to be either a citizen or resident?

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 2:44 pm

To apply European ID, will you be holding European country citizenship ?

If not, then as long as you are using your SG PP for travel, you should be OK.

If you are holding European Country Citizenship/PP and then ID, yes you are breaking SG Law as it prohibit dual citizenship

IMHO if you hold European Citizeship but not the PP, you should be under the radar but I would not bet on how lucky you will be passing thru SG Border Control with all the new chip embedded who knows what they know about you that you are not aware of. Hence thread carefully

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 2:53 pm

Mad Scientist wrote: Border Control with all the new chip embedded who knows what they know about you that you are not aware of. Hence thread carefully

Yes it always amuses me the 'win a holiday' campaigns hinged upon you registering all your personal contact information for your SMRT proximity card.

carteki · Post by **carteki** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 3:00 pm

You can't get a European ID without European citizenship (perhaps a drivers license, but the queue at the airport is only for ppt holders). You can't have dual citizenship, so just suck it up and wait in the longer queue at the airport.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 3:09 pm

carteki wrote:You can't get a European ID without European citizenship (perhaps a drivers license, but the queue at the airport is only for ppt holders). You can't have dual citizenship, so just suck it up and wait in the longer queue at the airport.

... or just enter via the UK, who drops all border checks when the queues 'get a bit long'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... claim.html

[Edit to add: fresh off the presses this morning:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... hecks.html]

Then you have your Schengen visa for the rest of the EU

skidrow191 · Post by **skidrow191** » Sun, 13 Nov 2011 5:42 pm

Thanks for all the feedback. Hearing your feedback I'll leave things as it is. I'm not holding European citizenship, but by applying for the ID, I would in effect "express my intentions" of the same even though I won't be holding that PP. I also can't "unregister" my birth considering its in the books. I would have to first declare myself as a citizen ( ID + PP) and then cancel my citizenship which I don't have time for.

kraikk · Post by **kraikk** » Thu, 01 Dec 2011 10:45 pm

Just wondering, if OP applies for the European citizenship, which presumably he has the right to, how will Singapore find out? Assuming also he has completed NS obligations. I doubt a citizenship office in Europe informs other governments who obtains its citizenships?

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:45 am

kraikk wrote:Just wondering, if OP applies for the European citizenship, which presumably he has the right to, how will Singapore find out? Assuming also he has completed NS obligations. I doubt a citizenship office in Europe informs other governments who obtains its citizenships?

That is correct BUT with the new COB on the European PP, I would not be surprised at all that he will haul to jail while trying to enter SG with European PP

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:55 am

kraikk wrote:Just wondering, if OP applies for the European citizenship, which presumably he has the right to, how will Singapore find out? Assuming also he has completed NS obligations. I doubt a citizenship office in Europe informs other governments who obtains its citizenships?

.... but if you used this notional EU passport, would ICA in SG on your return not question why you have no EU stamps in your SG passport, and no entry and/or exit records in their system?

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 4:54 am

JR8 wrote:
kraikk wrote:Just wondering, if OP applies for the European citizenship, which presumably he has the right to, how will Singapore find out? Assuming also he has completed NS obligations. I doubt a citizenship office in Europe informs other governments who obtains its citizenships?
.... but if you used this notional EU passport, would ICA in SG on your return not question why you have no EU stamps in your SG passport, and no entry and/or exit records in their system?

JR8, this is the funny part which baffles me

The first time I passed by Frankfurt in the 80s, I received a stamp even though by final destination is another European country. Over time my SG PP were stamped accordingly. But in the mid 90s, I did not have any stamps on it either via Frankfurt or my final destination. I have been to Sweden, Hungary, Russia during the 90s and 2000 but no stamp. It all started with the CDR image and it just got better till the COB system wit IRIS.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:00 am

Mad Scientist wrote: JR8, this is the funny part which baffles me

The first time I passed by Frankfurt in the 80s, I received a stamp even though by final destination is another European country.

This I could just about understand under current laws as Frankfurt would be your point of entry to the Schengen area.

Were your flights not checked through, but point to point (like Air Asia is even today)?

Over time my SG PP were stamped accordingly. But in the mid 90s, I did not have any stamps on it either via Frankfurt or my final destination. I have been to Sweden, Hungary, Russia during the 90s and 2000 but no stamp.

That's just weird!

It all started with the CDR image and it just got better till the COB system wit IRIS.

Mad Scientist · Post by **Mad Scientist** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:45 am

All checked thru mate .

I did not even step out of Frankfurt Main Airport. As you already know Frankfurt Airport is one Huge Place and it is like a maze getting from one gate to another.

Twice when I entered Budapest, the Border Control waived me to go thru without any stamps at all . Same goes in Sofia.
But in Arjlanda, there were times my SGPP being stamped on it and there were times it was not. I did ask the officer both in Budapest and in Arjlanda but they said it is OK.
Honestly I have no idea but having said that , yes all my point of entry is via Frankfurt

carteki · Post by **carteki** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:58 am

JR8 wrote:.... but if you used this notional EU passport, would ICA in SG on your return not question why you have no EU stamps in your SG passport, and no entry and/or exit records in their system?

As someone who has traveled on 2 passports for years, no-one has batted an eyelid. The only time I have trouble is when I'm trying to check into my flight and I hand over the ppt that does require a visa. In addition the stamps in Singapore are not checked if you go through the fingerprint queue (can't remember what it is called).

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 02 Dec 2011 5:48 pm

carteki wrote:
JR8 wrote:.... but if you used this notional EU passport, would ICA in SG on your return not question why you have no EU stamps in your SG passport, and no entry and/or exit records in their system?
As someone who has traveled on 2 passports for years, no-one has batted an eyelid. The only time I have trouble is when I'm trying to check into my flight and I hand over the ppt that does require a visa. In addition the stamps in Singapore are not checked if you go through the fingerprint queue (can't remember what it is called).

But the point is that the OP is SGn and they, as 'adults', are not allowed dual nationality.

Whereas you are from the Land of the Great Unwashed, so they already know you're up to every trick in the book

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