Singapore Expats Forum

can I return to singapore to work after renounciation

A moderated forum for serious discussions only.
wongss
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri, 04 Nov 2011

can I return to singapore to work after renounciation

Postby wongss » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 1:43 pm

Hi, I would like to know whether it is possible to return back to Singapore and be granted an employment pass after renouciation of my Singapore citiizenship.

My situation is that I was born in Singapore on 1975 but moved to Malaysia when I was 1 year old. (so I never have singapore passport of IC) I have never lived in Singapore. When I was 21, I returned to singapore to apply for an employment pass. I was told that because i was born in Singapore, I automatically was a citizen and since i was a Malaysian citiizen, I wasn't allowed to have both.

The immigration department gave me an ulitmatum to renounce one of my citizenship and refuse to evaluate my employment pass application until i did so. I decided to renounce the Singapore citizenhip and the immigration department then failed my application for employment pass. They told me I could try my luck in a few years time if I wanted to apply again.

I am now 36 years ago and am a mobile network architect. I have been offered an opportunity to work in singapore via a company transfer. i would like to know what my chances are on whether my employment pass will be approved. I know if you are a billionaire, singapore will probably say yes. I am just highly technical and skilled professional. Is that enough? what are my chances and probability of success? Has anyone like me been approved an EP after renounciation even though they are not mega rich but skilled?

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35178
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 1:51 pm

Yes they have. You will have to just try it. Nothing is cut & dried in cases like that, so there is no way we could give you a prognosis for success. Good Luck.

User avatar
Mad Scientist
Director
Director
Posts: 3459
Joined: Thu, 03 Dec 2009
Location: TIMBUKTU

Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 2:26 pm

You are between the rock and hard places. Honestly you will be hard pressed to gain any employment here as you name is already indicted in the Hall of Fame
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35178
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 2:53 pm

MS, we did have one, I believe, last year who had renounced and returned several years later as an EP. But PR or Citizenship is defo out of the question, I agree. They don't mind EP as it's transient in nature and doesn't have to be renewed anything they don't feel like it.

User avatar
Mad Scientist
Director
Director
Posts: 3459
Joined: Thu, 03 Dec 2009
Location: TIMBUKTU

Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 3:08 pm

Yes , I remembered but I think he was borned overseas and holds dual citizenship. This guy borned here. Moreover forced to renounce either one and automatically refused his EP application which spelled out as he is not welcome here.
But like you said nothing venture nothing gain.
I may be wrong here and I hope I am
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 35178
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 04 Nov 2011 3:38 pm

Ah, yes, you are right. I do believe he was naturalized by descent and not by birth in Singapore. Yep, OP may well have a problem unless he's packing some really needed credentials.

Koalabear
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 158
Joined: Mon, 27 Jul 2009

Postby Koalabear » Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:35 am

wtf? What if I served my NS and renounced? Can I come back to work?

And how come OP is not classified as NS defaulter?

User avatar
Mad Scientist
Director
Director
Posts: 3459
Joined: Thu, 03 Dec 2009
Location: TIMBUKTU

Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 08 Nov 2011 8:32 am

Koalabear wrote:wtf? What if I served my NS and renounced? Can I come back to work?

And how come OP is not classified as NS defaulter?


There is a BIG Difference between OP and yourself

For once, he has lived all his life in Malaysia which is basically a taboo. I find it most of whom lived in Malaysia but born in SG has difficult choice when comes to employment here in SG for some reason or another. My guess is either one parent is still a Sger. If the whole family nuclues was to renounce, his chances for employment are far greater than its current situation. although I would not bet on it but given that he has been living overseas, chance is 50-50
For your case, you have not even serve the 3 years compulsory Reservist in Camp. Do you think you can renounce ? Do not even contemplate to come back to work when this first hurdle has not been jumped over.
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

Koalabear
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 158
Joined: Mon, 27 Jul 2009

Postby Koalabear » Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:53 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
Koalabear wrote:wtf? What if I served my NS and renounced? Can I come back to work?

And how come OP is not classified as NS defaulter?


There is a BIG Difference between OP and yourself

For once, he has lived all his life in Malaysia which is basically a taboo. I find it most of whom lived in Malaysia but born in SG has difficult choice when comes to employment here in SG for some reason or another. My guess is either one parent is still a Sger. If the whole family nuclues was to renounce, his chances for employment are far greater than its current situation. although I would not bet on it but given that he has been living overseas, chance is 50-50
For your case, you have not even serve the 3 years compulsory Reservist in Camp. Do you think you can renounce ? Do not even contemplate to come back to work when this first hurdle has not been jumped over.


I want to serve but cannot lah, my hand pain leg pain eye pain hair pain everywhere pain loh... I serve Reservist only drag down SAF efficiency so I contribute to my country by not serving. :P

wongss
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri, 04 Nov 2011

Postby wongss » Tue, 08 Nov 2011 1:18 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
Koalabear wrote:wtf? What if I served my NS and renounced? Can I come back to work?

And how come OP is not classified as NS defaulter?


There is a BIG Difference between OP and yourself

For once, he has lived all his life in Malaysia which is basically a taboo. I find it most of whom lived in Malaysia but born in SG has difficult choice when comes to employment here in SG for some reason or another. My guess is either one parent is still a Sger. If the whole family nuclues was to renounce, his chances for employment are far greater than its current situation. although I would not bet on it but given that he has been living overseas, chance is 50-50
For your case, you have not even serve the 3 years compulsory Reservist in Camp. Do you think you can renounce ? Do not even contemplate to come back to work when this first hurdle has not been jumped over.


yes you are right.. my parents, one is singaporean and the other is malaysian. I have one other sibling who is a Singapore PR. (not born in Singapore). Personally I think the whole immigration thing is unfair, just because i was born in Singapore and never 'benefited' from being a Singapore citizen, I get forced to make a decision (renounciation) earlier in life.

I will update this post if I ever do decide to take up the job offer.. to see if I get rejected again after all these years... not sure whether I really want to go thru all that trauma/hassle again.... Furthermore... getting an EP as you said has a low chance of success... and getting a PR sounds impossible

User avatar
Mad Scientist
Director
Director
Posts: 3459
Joined: Thu, 03 Dec 2009
Location: TIMBUKTU

Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 08 Nov 2011 5:21 pm

wongss wrote:yes you are right.. my parents, one is singaporean and the other is malaysian. I have one other sibling who is a Singapore PR. (not born in Singapore). Personally I think the whole immigration thing is unfair, just because i was born in Singapore and never 'benefited' from being a Singapore citizen, I get forced to make a decision (renounciation) earlier in life.

I will update this post if I ever do decide to take up the job offer.. to see if I get rejected again after all these years... not sure whether I really want to go thru all that trauma/hassle again.... Furthermore... getting an EP as you said has a low chance of success... and getting a PR sounds impossible


Unfair, you think so? This was the choice you made when the Gahmen gave you the ultimatum. Had you chosen to take up SG citizenship then, you will be send to the army immediately for NS obligation.
Your parent knew this and knew this repercussion very well indeed.Your parent wanted the best of world. Little did they know the choice they made and a severe impact on you.
Now at 36, it has severely impacted on your future. I would give a last go on the EP application. If this fails, maybe do a business venture with your sibling as the other director/PR/local and employ you. A trip to the company secretary will be the first port of call if EP fails
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

Koalabear
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 158
Joined: Mon, 27 Jul 2009

Postby Koalabear » Wed, 09 Nov 2011 8:33 am

wongss wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:
Koalabear wrote:wtf? What if I served my NS and renounced? Can I come back to work?

And how come OP is not classified as NS defaulter?


There is a BIG Difference between OP and yourself

For once, he has lived all his life in Malaysia which is basically a taboo. I find it most of whom lived in Malaysia but born in SG has difficult choice when comes to employment here in SG for some reason or another. My guess is either one parent is still a Sger. If the whole family nuclues was to renounce, his chances for employment are far greater than its current situation. although I would not bet on it but given that he has been living overseas, chance is 50-50
For your case, you have not even serve the 3 years compulsory Reservist in Camp. Do you think you can renounce ? Do not even contemplate to come back to work when this first hurdle has not been jumped over.


yes you are right.. my parents, one is singaporean and the other is malaysian. I have one other sibling who is a Singapore PR. (not born in Singapore). Personally I think the whole immigration thing is unfair, just because i was born in Singapore and never 'benefited' from being a Singapore citizen, I get forced to make a decision (renounciation) earlier in life.

I will update this post if I ever do decide to take up the job offer.. to see if I get rejected again after all these years... not sure whether I really want to go thru all that trauma/hassle again.... Furthermore... getting an EP as you said has a low chance of success... and getting a PR sounds impossible


No fair or unfair. Singapore has a renowned cheapskate government who wants to maximize their benefit and minimize their losses. They felt pissed off they did not get to save $$$ by drafting you into NS.

You made the trade off didn't you? Had they told you about your dead employment prospects would you have served NS? I doubt it.


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Strictly Speaking”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest