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Post by dandylion » Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:48 pm

Thanks so much for the help.

I have tried 8 International Schools, and all of them have told me NO opening for Kindergarten in January 2012. The process is VERY fustrating and quite odd. If anyone knows of a school that may have an opening in January, 2012. Please let me know! ( PS.. I don't think I will use the bus, I will bring him).

Thanks again for the help.

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Post by scarbowl » Fri, 11 Nov 2011 5:41 pm

Yes. It will be frustrating. You and many others are moving to Asia and Singapore (specifically) because that is where the world economy is moving. So there are more expatriates than the foreign schools can accommodate. Is that really a surprise? More likely you just didn't think about it.

Add to that you want to enroll in just two months! That's not much time for planning or to get your school records in order for the application.

I'd suggest you select your desired school and apply for August admission. For the next 6 months try a local kindergarten or (gasp!) consider keeping your child at home with a loving parent who can spend time helping them learn to read and count.

If you get in for January it will likely to be a school that you won't be happy with in the long term - that's why they have openings.

You may also be surprised by the rental rates. As one poster said, start with a Serviced Apartment until you know the city well enough and have an idea where your child will be enrolled.

There are three schools offering an American diploma though it seems unlikely you will be here that long. Stamford, International Community School, and SAS. Stamford is new and a for-profit operation (no judgement here on that but it does operate differently), ICS is a Christian school, and SAS is the 50+ years in operation non-profit school.

Of the 29 schools, once you remove the French/German/British/Australian /Indonesian/Swiss/Korean/Japanese/Special needs there aren't so many you'll want to look at.

There's plenty to like about Singapore. Wishing you well in your relocation!

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Post by Mary Hatch Bailey » Fri, 11 Nov 2011 7:14 pm

dandylion wrote: ( PS.. I don't think I will use the bus, I will bring him).
Yes, by all means, let's add another car on the road when a perfectly good school bus is available :?

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Post by dandylion » Fri, 11 Nov 2011 8:12 pm

Thanks for the reply...
We WALK to school now or bike. Something we would like to continue.
( no need for the car comment)

I have been to Singapore several times.. so I understand the econ, housing rates ect... we will be there for a year.

Correct- I knew about the population, but I did not consider that school would be an issue. I have lived in 7 countries .. it has always been pretty easy school wise, so I just assumed... I now know that my assumption was wrong.

Without being judged please, we will be given a "package" to cover every expense. ( due to hardwork and education, not greed).

ps.. I have all school records and medical records ready- since he is only in kindergarten, not much there... and it only took one day!
I would like to thank everyone for the sincere advice. It really does help. I am on school #14- all have said "no spots". I have also contacted 4 local schools ( no gasp!).. one said they may have one spot.

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Post by boffenl » Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:03 pm

Hi Dandylion,

I hestitated to jump in until you mentioned your interest in local schools. We chose a local school for our daughter (both parents caucasian) over international for a number of reasons. Since your sprout is still little, he'll make a great transition wherever you choose, as long as you're supportive and excited for him.

I loved my daughter's kindergarten K1 and K2 at Learning Vision. She started local school (primary 1) five weeks after she turned 6. It's been great for her. I'm honestly glad to see you've included local in your search. It's tough now for many folks coming in...but you've taken the right tact to research and CALL to get first-hand info. That's incredibly important.

With an advocate like you, Im sure your son will find a good spot. Just keep calling and as the dealine gets closer I'm sure someone will help.

Just asking--are you working with a relocation company? Usually they have some "in" at the various International Schools. Might be worth asking them too.

Good luck!

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Post by dandylion » Sat, 12 Nov 2011 9:30 pm

Thanks!
Yes- the HR dept will provide relocation experts/company. We should finalize the "move" this week, so we have not spoke to them yet.... I was just trying to get a head start- glad I did!

I was hoping that the company, HR, or relocation folks could help with the school issue- I am glad to know that they may be able to help.

It seems like there are schools that are just Kindergartens? Is that true? Also, should I be looking at any kind of religious schools? We are Methodist, but are very open to many religions.

At first, I was interested in an "American" school so his year in Singapore would transfer back to his school in the state... meaning that the school had the same accreditation. But, I think that it will not be an issue- seems like it is more of an issue for college level studies, not K-12. Also, I was a bit nervous about my sons "personality"- he is a smart guy, but he can argue till the cows come home. We are working on him not arguing with his teachers now and following all the rules. If he has something to say, he has a hard time keeping it in- some self control issues- I think the schools there are more strict, and would not tolerate such behavior. Alternatively, the structure may be good for him- a wake up call!

Giving the kids a great international experience is the main reason why I told my husband it would be great to go for a year ( I will have to leave my job here in the states as a Professor- I will not work in Singapore). We went to Ankor Wat, and phuket on the last vist to Singapore this past Spring- I look forward to many more side trips with the kids.

Also, we have a daughter who will be 3 in March 2012... are there places that she can attend pre-school half day or maybe 2-3 days a week? Do you think getting in to one will be an issue too ( space wise)? Are the cost the same as the 20K and up private schools? I would think not... ??

Once again, thank you so much for the advice. I will be more than happy to return the favor if anyone has questions about the states ( or colleges here- I have taught at many universities ).

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Post by boffenl » Mon, 14 Nov 2011 8:23 am

Your son and my daughter would get along GREAT! She also had a "smart" mouth and was constantly "telling" on her classmates--teacher's pet behavior which is very common with children who are "new" to situations. It did lessen after her first year in school here. But because she's very fair skinned and cute, she gets away with much more than I think other local kids do. I've spoken with the teacher numerous times and I don't think they see the problem. They're just glad to have the kind of diversity she brings to the classroom.

The problem will be when/if we return to the US and she realized there are whole classrooms of kids who look like her. :)

The HR folks will certainly be able to help with the kindergarten issue. There are some great ones and range from a few hundred buck a month to a few thousand. I lucked into a great situation for my daughter when we arrived--it was a kindergarten on campus so no commute worries at all.

Good luck!

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Post by Brooklynjenn » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:23 am

We also moved from the States, and our kids are at SAIS. I don't know if they have space or not, but they do have kindergarten and preschool at the same school starting at age 3. My youngest, in KG1, is quite a stubborn kid, very difficult to have in a classroom, and her teacher has won her over. They are structured, but the younger ages have lots of free time and play time and I don't get a sense that there are too many rules to follow. My KG1 would have a lot of trouble if it were quite restrictive. One thing I liked about sending them to an American school is that they are still learning about our money, the American history sort of information, and they celebrate holidays we celebrate back home like Halloween, which is a big deal to my kids. It made for an easier transition for them, but kids are pretty adaptable so they probably would have been fine at other schools too.

We also used an orientations counselor, and I had the same quandry as you - how to pick a school I had never visited and therefore a neighborhood we would live in...it was quite confusing and difficult. I say pick the school first, stay in a Serviced Apartment for a while until you get your bearings and then choose the neighborhood. Once you choose your school, the rest will fall into place. We used to walk to school also, but I really like the bus. It is just so convenient. The MRT is also an easy way to get the kids to school if the school is close to an MRT stop and you feel you want to do dropoff but not drive a car.

We initially talked our company into paying application fees for two schools, but eventually decided to go with our gut and only applied to the one we chose. If they don't have space, or have a long wait list, write them off your list and move on. You don't have time or energy to wait and worry, and those that do have space will be more than good enough. Most of the parents I have talked to are happy with their schools, regardless of the school. Trust your instincts, follow your gut, narrow down the list, talk to parents who have kids at the schools if you can. I even resorted to private messaging people on this forum when I figured out they had kids at a school I was considering, and people were very helpful. I bought the International Schools guide someone else was hawking here, by the way, and found it enormously helpful. A small price to pay to figure the school situation out.

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Post by boffenl » Tue, 15 Nov 2011 2:42 pm

That was a great reply Brooklyjenn! Chock full of good suggestions!

I'd second the bus option--If only I had taken the time to figure it out I could have saved hundred of dollars on taxi fare our first year getting my daughter home from kindergarten!

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Post by latin_b » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:36 am

for me, i entered my older son at SAS. I think it's great there. the teachers are fantastic.
i was a bit concerned that if i send Brandon to a local school, he cab;t cope with second language...

[quote="boffenl"]Hi Dandylion,

I hestitated to jump in until you mentioned your interest in local schools. We chose a local school for our daughter (both parents caucasian) over international for a number of reasons. Since your sprout is still little, he'll make a great transition wherever you choose, as long as you're supportive and excited for him.

I loved my daughter's kindergarten K1 and K2 at Learning Vision. She started local school (primary 1) five weeks after she turned 6. It's been great for her. I'm honestly glad to see you've included local in your search. It's tough now for many folks coming in...but you've taken the right tact to research and CALL to get first-hand info. That's incredibly important.

With an advocate like you, Im sure your son will find a good spot. Just keep calling and as the dealine gets closer I'm sure someone will help.

Just asking--are you working with a relocation company? Usually they have some "in" at the various International Schools. Might be worth asking them too.

Good luck![/quote]

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Post by dandylion » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:46 am

Thanks so much everyone!

I still have not found an open spot ( one number 16 now), but I feel better about the process now...

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Post by movingtospore » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 8:14 pm

latin_b how did you get a spot at local school for P1? Are you a PR?

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Post by movingtospore » Wed, 16 Nov 2011 8:18 pm

dandylion, if you are methodist, there are a few methodist schools here. I've heard (no first-hand experience) that it can be easier to get a spot as a foreigner in a church school, as opposed to government-run local school.

There are many, many preschool options. For those I would suggest waiting until you get here and then taking a look around, once you see where you will be living.

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