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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 5:59 pm

Further to that, there are more English speakers in China than there are in the US. And probably a lot easier understood! :(

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 6:48 pm

ScoobyDoes wrote:What is the world's most commonly spoken FIRST language?
Nope, not English. Nope, not Spanish either. One more try?

Public schools in the UK are also teaching Mandarin with or instead of French and German when I was there (and no 'age' jokes about Latin thank you very much!).

Yes I had heard this. (Plus I learned latin at school, which still serves me well to this day!)


In my line of work I am meeting more Chinese whose second language is German and they hardly know a word of English if any.

Wherever I go these days I see more Chinese tourists. I mean for example 10 years ago you wouldn't have thought most Chinese would even know where Latvia is, well now you'll encounter tour-groups there. But what you say about them learning German over English surprises me...
- German is a bitch to learn
- It's use is limited to Germany
- Er, its not what they speak in most of the rest of the world.
- Any German who is anything is fluent in English (I imagine for a reason)





p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 7:56 pm

To give my age away, when I was in school, we only had a choice of two foreign languages, French & Latin. I took French, used broken French with the elder Vietnamese during 67-68, and never used it again. Today I know nothing of the language at all. :-)

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Postby beppi » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 8:40 pm

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p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.

Nobody anywhere (outside of Catholic Theology) is required to SPEAK Latin - that was abolished 1200 years ago!
Only for History and Medicine studies, a course in written Latin is required!

You don't even need to speak German to get a Ph.D. in Germany. More and more theses are written in English nowadays.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 8:47 pm

beppi wrote:
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p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


Complete nonsense (except probably in History and Medicine)!
You don't even need to speak German any more. Most theses (at least in Technology) are written in English nowadays.


[Beppi style] Uninformed rubbish! [/i]

Maybe you would like to opine why an American acquaintance of mine has had to study latin, to pass a Latin exam, to enroll in his engineering PhD in Germany? I did not say that he has to study in latin, I said he has to know and pass an exam in Latin in order to enroll.

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 8:54 pm

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p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


WTF?!? I gotta ask people who got their PhD about this...

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 8:59 pm

nakatago wrote:
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p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


WTF?!? I gotta ask people who got their PhD about this...



Well if you think an American guy is going to sit in a back-of-beach dive shack in Tioman studying and sweating every day over his Latin for months, and explains to me that he has to pass an exam in it to enroll in his PhD in Germany. And he's somehow making that up ... do let me know!

I can tell you that he wasn't doing it for fun!

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 9:20 pm

JR8 wrote:
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JR8 wrote:
p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


WTF?!? I gotta ask people who got their PhD about this...



Well if you think an American guy is going to sit in a back-of-beach dive shack in Tioman studying and sweating every day over his Latin for months, and explains to me that he has to pass an exam in it to enroll in his PhD in Germany. And he's somehow making that up ... do let me know!

I can tell you that he wasn't doing it for fun!


More importantly, PhD in what anyway? I just recalled some New Yorker mentioning a roomie who's doing a PhD (some humanities field) and also studying Latin.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 9:28 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:
nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:
p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


WTF?!? I gotta ask people who got their PhD about this...



Well if you think an American guy is going to sit in a back-of-beach dive shack in Tioman studying and sweating every day over his Latin for months, and explains to me that he has to pass an exam in it to enroll in his PhD in Germany. And he's somehow making that up ... do let me know!

I can tell you that he wasn't doing it for fun!


More importantly, PhD in what anyway? I just recalled some New Yorker mentioning a roomie who's doing a PhD (some humanities field) and also studying Latin.


Pay attention Nak :), I already said engineering. This was not some ''Top-skool I tell you!' wet behind the ear Master' this guy is like 'Woah ok' in the academic stakes. He'd already worked for several years for McLaren F1 in aerodynamics.

He was giving up no-limit free diving and bumming about to study Latin each day, which he detested. Draw your own conclusions.


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Postby nakatago » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 9:55 pm

JR8 wrote:
nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:
nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:
p.s. Circular trivia time. To do a PhD in Germany, you need to be able to speak latin.


WTF?!? I gotta ask people who got their PhD about this...



Well if you think an American guy is going to sit in a back-of-beach dive shack in Tioman studying and sweating every day over his Latin for months, and explains to me that he has to pass an exam in it to enroll in his PhD in Germany. And he's somehow making that up ... do let me know!

I can tell you that he wasn't doing it for fun!


More importantly, PhD in what anyway? I just recalled some New Yorker mentioning a roomie who's doing a PhD (some humanities field) and also studying Latin.


Pay attention Nak :), I already said engineering. This was not some ''Top-skool I tell you!' wet behind the ear Master' this guy is like 'Woah ok' in the academic stakes. He'd already worked for several years for McLaren F1 in aerodynamics.

He was giving up no-limit free diving and bumming about to study Latin each day, which he detested. Draw your own conclusions.


Victoria ut sapiens! :)


My bad...multitasking.

But still...Latin for engineering. I don't see how it is needed. Maybe it's one of those schools with 'different' origins?

It'll take a while before the people I asked would respond :-k

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Postby beppi » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:02 pm

Latin is not required for engineering studies in any school in Germany.
Furthermore, Ph.D.s in Germany are almost always by reserach, with no coursework at all required. Basically, you get your title when your supervisor (professor) is satisfied with your results.
Please tell me which school and I'll check this - I'm very confident the uninformed rubbish is on your side, not mine.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:02 pm

nakatago wrote:But still...Latin for engineering. I don't see how it is needed. Maybe it's one of those schools with 'different' origins?

It'll take a while before the people I asked would respond :-k


Yep alright fair point, maybe it was peculiar to where he was going and for conversational effect he broadened it out to 'All German universities'.

We will all be richer and wiser from this discussion one way or another (now how do you say again in Latin? :))

p.s. Made to sound clever by saying something modern that no one understands, but instead completely f$$$ing thick like the rest of 'em.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:39 pm

beppi wrote:Please tell me which school and I'll check this - I'm very confident the uninformed rubbish is on your side, not mine.


Er, actually I really can't be bothered! :) [shock]

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 19 Nov 2011 6:34 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:To give my age away, when I was in school, we only had a choice of two foreign languages, French & Latin. I took French, used broken French with the elder Vietnamese during 67-68, and never used it again. Today I know nothing of the language at all. :-)


It must have felt novel speaking a second language, to people in their second language.

Of course both the US and Vietnam were former glove-puppet states of the French.

There are certain points in history that if given a chance I would be fascinated to experience first hand. Georgian England at it's ostentatious and completely OTT zenith of art and culture c. 1830, and... curiously Saigon 1968 and Woodstock the year later.

SMS, did you perchance visit London in the 1830's?



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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 19 Nov 2011 6:56 am

Oddly, I have never been to Europe in any Century. :P


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