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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:20 am

Actually, it's a full moon! :o
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by generalsu » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:43 am

Haha, Mr. high profile for absolutely the wrong reasons. I wonder if I ever meet you in person, would I come across a full grown man barely able to carry himself while crossing the street? Most likely.

I am not mr short fuse. In fact, I have no fuse at all. What I have is the tendency to help and be helped.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:49 am

You sure had all of us fooled. :-|
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by generalsu » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:40 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:You sure had all of us fooled. :-|
Why, because of the complaint against the ICA officer? You just can't move on can you?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:57 am

No. Because of all of your subsequent posts. You are the one who can't move on. That's why you replied to my post above.........

Me? I'm on here anyway. What's your reason? Cause you can't move on......
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by ecureilx » Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:12 pm

generalsu wrote: What I have is the tendency to help and be helped.
Where and when did that happen ??? :oops: :oops: :? :?

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Post by zzm9980 » Fri, 14 Oct 2011 9:58 pm

Saint wrote:Why is the poster above telling the OP they will have to pay commission to the agent??? I have never paid any agent commission and the vast majority of people I know have never paid either. It's only newbies/inexperience expats that get ripped off in to paying commission.

Posters, can we please not post incorrect information or bad advice on the forum as it's left to the long timers to mop up behind you.
I got railroaded into taking an agent by my company. I'm not sure they intended it though. If you have an agent show you around, you will have to pay commission. If I'm wrong here, please tell me how I can use an agent to find a place without paying him commission. I know if I go about it on my own, (which not everyone is comfortable to do, especially on their first time in a new country), I can avoid the fee.

Plus, perhaps just correcting us now ("Mopping up" as you called it) would be better so I am corrected, instead of the condescending reply. Now someone who searches through the forum sees my (bad?) advice, followed by a snarky reply implying I'm wrong, with nothing else of value to add except if they DO pay, they're idiots (in so many words). But not useful advice on HOW to proceed.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:19 pm

If you use a agent, ensure it's the Landlord's agent. Therefore, he/she can only collect from the Landlord. If, on the other hand, you use an independent agent to help you find a place, then yes, you need to pay his commission. But, you need to find out the relationship of the agent prior to setting out with them to view the first property. Once you allow them to start showing you multiple properties, you are into them for commission. There is no law saying that you cannot utilize the landlords agent as well. But, obviously, you cannot have him show you around to other units as he is then representing you.

All you need to do is ask if the agent is representing the Landlord. If he says yes, then just inform him that you are not going to be represented by an agent. Probably he will suggest using one of his friend or colleagues, but you can just say no and then ask him if he's interesting in looking out for his client's (the LL) best interests.

It like Credit Cards and overdraft facilities here. Every year the banks will send you a statement with the annual fee on it. A huge majority of people just pay it. However, if you go to the trouble to call the bank about the fee, they will automatically waive the fee for you. But you have to make the effort. That's just the way it's done.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Post by x9200 » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 8:44 am

It really depends on the agent and your agreement with her/him. With ours we don't pay him any commission even he is de facto our, not the LL's agent. He simply understands and agrees we create for him a solid opportunity to earn the commission from the other party. He only needs to agree with the other agent to have it shared. He had no trouble so far with this (we just moved).

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I got railroaded into taking an agent by my company. I'm not

Post by sanjivvohra » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 8:27 pm

I got railroaded into using an agent by my company too (through a relocation company) and the deal was that we would NOT have to pay her a commission if the rent is above S$3k. This was very cleary defined by the relocating company. I have not heard of anyone paying commission to find a house too but maybe I haven't been here long enough!
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Post by sanjivvohra » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 8:34 pm

Crushbro, back to the topic though, it would be a good idea to hire an agent (have the commercial arrangement very clearly defined right at the begining), have him/her do the market survey for you and then decide. We did a one week of "look and see" trip and finalised an apartment from the 20 odd that the realter had shortlisted in about 4 days. We moved into our appartment 3 days after landing up here, with rental furniture. It beat the expense of a serviced appartment.
East coast is a great place to ive in if you are looking for an independent house with a small garden patch
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Post by zzm9980 » Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:19 pm

Did you use "Orientations Asia"? That's exactly how it was for me, only that information was buried in some folder of 50+ pages of useless info. My rent is 2600, so I missed the cut-off.

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Post by Saint » Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:19 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Saint wrote:Why is the poster above telling the OP they will have to pay commission to the agent??? I have never paid any agent commission and the vast majority of people I know have never paid either. It's only newbies/inexperience expats that get ripped off in to paying commission.

Posters, can we please not post incorrect information or bad advice on the forum as it's left to the long timers to mop up behind you.
I got railroaded into taking an agent by my company. I'm not sure they intended it though. If you have an agent show you around, you will have to pay commission. If I'm wrong here, please tell me how I can use an agent to find a place without paying him commission. I know if I go about it on my own, (which not everyone is comfortable to do, especially on their first time in a new country), I can avoid the fee.

Plus, perhaps just correcting us now ("Mopping up" as you called it) would be better so I am corrected, instead of the condescending reply. Now someone who searches through the forum sees my (bad?) advice, followed by a snarky reply implying I'm wrong, with nothing else of value to add except if they DO pay, they're idiots (in so many words). But not useful advice on HOW to proceed.
At the time there were 2 posts giving incorrect/bad advice to the OP. if you read your post you mention "Standard" which implies this is normal procedures for paying commission. Any agents reading postings like this must rubbing their hand with joy!! Yes we do often have to mop up after incorrect postings, that's just nature of this forum and differs from other certain forums. I have posted many times how and why you should not have to pay commission.

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