R.I.P. Steve Jobs

Post by **nakatago** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 4:23 pm

JR8 wrote:The thing I didn't get was that the media treated him like he walked on water. His disciples worshipped the man.

That's Steve Jobs' reality distortion field at work. That's how liking Apple products was scientifically shown to be just like a religious experience for some people.

A lot of us, like I said, see through that and don't like the man but his vision is undeniably admirable.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 4:26 pm

I think there is a yearning inside the masses for this kind of thing, they want to believe. Apple provided it.

Same with global warming. The masses have a need to assuage their bourgeois guilt. Politicians tell them they have been very very naughty (the people feel bad), politicians tell them they must give them lots of money to make up for it (there is absolution!) people feel happy, politicians feel happy. The circle is squared.

Post by **nakatago** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 4:53 pm

JR8 wrote:I think there is a yearning inside the masses for this kind of thing, they want to believe. Apple provided it.

Same with global warming. The masses have a need to assuage their bourgeois guilt. Politicians tell them they have been very very naughty (the people feel bad), politicians tell them they must give them lots of money to make up for it (there is absolution!) people feel happy, politicians feel happy. The circle is squared.

Don't go into that as there is still a lot of debate going on and may incite a flame war here. Going into the nuances of the political climate change debate merits a totally different discussion.

That said...

Besides, Steve Jobs himself said that people don't know what they want. He made a product and made people want it. Filling an existing hole is different from a creating a hole.

Moreove, I found this interesting piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/ ... jobs-study. I didn't really do a fact check but observation lends it credence.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 5:02 pm

Are there any other popular subjects of discussion that we can't discuss here that I should be aware of?

BillyB · Post by **BillyB** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 5:07 pm

JR8 wrote:Are there any other popular subjects of discussion that we can't discuss here that I should be aware of?

Muff diving?

Post by **nakatago** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 5:07 pm

JR8 wrote:Are there any other popular subjects of discussion that we can't discuss here that I should be aware of?

I'm not saying we can't, I'm just saying let's not. Different things. It's like this:

"Let's have Chinese food tonight."
"Gee, I don't feel like having Chinese food. Can't we just stay home and eat the leftovers from last night?"

Besides, my wonky internet connection kept me from promptly editing my post.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 5:20 pm

And there was me thinking I was simply making an analogy en passent, rather than starting a debate.

Anyway. Has anyone else noticed how unseasonably cold it is today?

muddyleopard · Post by **muddyleopard** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 6:28 pm

he was a company boss, not a saint. why dont we mourn the real heroes who die?

Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 6:53 pm

muddyleopard wrote:he was a company boss, not a saint. why dont we mourn the real heroes who die?

Actually, while we're on the subject of Jobs and Apple etc... and your comment on people who really help, how about this guy:

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/t...006-1laao.html

A company manufacturing tablets to sell for $35 to aid education . . .

So, one guy pioneers gadgets for the spoiled while another scrapes his margins for the common good.

Yup

earthfriendly · Post by **earthfriendly** » Sun, 09 Oct 2011 1:39 am

Like many organized operations, schools, governments, non-profit, for profit, you name it!

"High tech organizations are complex psychology play-grounds for under-acheivers, bullies, psychopaths, brown-nosing-low-talent tail riders, back-stabbing opportunists, low talent empire builders, and an assortment of other personality quirks that could likely be candidates for the DSM. Left to their own devices and propensities these people quickly derail many software organizations, leading to superfluous diversity of ideas/features/implementations that serve no other purpose than to allow the ... mediocrity to establish a stake in the product and some element of job security and career growth (well at least until they smother the business/products in a layer of dank crud). Jobs knew this and fought incessantly to preserve Apple's integrity."

He had his less-than-admirable ruthless side but he also served as an inspiration to many. It is possible to make a well designed product that inspires and be made available to the masses. The human being is a complex animal. We are not completely good or completely evil.

Welcome back Vaucluse.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Mon, 10 Oct 2011 2:09 am

The processing power was based on the old IBM design and the RISC processor design, of which no other manufacturer could match.

The RISC processors had always been used for the graphic design industry and the speed for graphics stood out from the crowd.

No matter, we like or dislike apple, they couldn't be matched and had a niche market to begin with.

http://lowendmac.com/orchard/05/powerpc ... apple.html

Vaucluse · Post by **Vaucluse** » Mon, 10 Oct 2011 8:44 pm

earthfriendly wrote:
He had his less-than-admirable ruthless side but he also served as an inspiration to many. It is possible to make a well designed product that inspires and be made available to the masses. The human being is a complex animal. We are not completely good or completely evil.

Welcome back Vaucluse.

Hello young lady!
I am astonished to see you still here battling the Neanderthals.

Very true words . . . three of the things I find rather distasteful, however, are the 5k, parking and charity issues . . . really not nice.

When I was working in the valley pretty much everyone knew he was a dickhead . . . but a stinking rich and powerful dickhead

Post by **nakatago** » Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:39 pm

Vaucluse wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:
He had his less-than-admirable ruthless side but he also served as an inspiration to many. It is possible to make a well designed product that inspires and be made available to the masses. The human being is a complex animal. We are not completely good or completely evil.

Welcome back Vaucluse.
Hello young lady!
I am astonished to see you still here battling the Neanderthals.

Very true words . . . three of the things I find rather distasteful, however, are the 5k, parking and charity issues . . . really not nice.

When I was working in the valley pretty much everyone knew he was a dickhead . . . but a stinking rich and powerful dickhead

And he got away with it because of his reality distortion field. How else could you explain people willing to work for a dickhead?

earthfriendly · Post by **earthfriendly** » Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:56 am

Vaucluse wrote: Hello young lady!
I am astonished to see you still here battling the Neanderthals.

Not young anymore. I just turned 41. What a lovely number.

I love this forum. People here tend to have a bit broader view than the general populace that you can find in any one country or region as they have experience more than one culture.

carteki · Post by **carteki** » Wed, 12 Oct 2011 4:15 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:I feel suddenly vindicated in my feelings towards this man and his company.
Don't worry; a lot of us in the tech world too don't really like the guy and the company. Most of the admiration is for his vision, not his personality. He was an asshole but he's one damned charismatic and brilliant asshole.

This discussion brings to mind someone else we know somewhat closer to home?

hint: initials "MM"

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