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Post by nakatago » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:50 am

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Post by beppi » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 4:31 pm

Fructose is just another form of sugar and has the same health effects. Unless the baby is oversensitive to sugar (and not fructose), which is rare, using fructose instead achieves nothing. Dried fruits contain sugar and fructose as well, in most cases quite a lot of it.

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Post by JR8 » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 4:55 pm

I was thinking the same re: fructose (hence my earlier comment that I considered it a sugar), but didn't want to wade into the middle of some mummy-wars issue :)

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Post by nakatago » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 5:03 pm

JR8 wrote:I was thinking the same re: fructose (hence my earlier comment that I considered it a sugar), but didn't want to wade into the middle of some mummy-wars issue :)
I would have chimed in as well about the chemistry of sugars but hey, she's willing to bake the cake!
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Post by the lynx » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 5:19 pm

I think she was referring to the typical white refined sugar...

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Post by JR8 » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 6:21 pm

I am reminded of browsing the aisles in Holland and Barret ...

100 vitamin C pills £3.

100 vitamin C pills extracted from wild rose-hips hand-gathered from hedgerows by barefoot virgins before sunrise £27.



As if your metabolism cares where it comes from... :-|

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p.s. For Lynx, http://www.ehow.com/facts_6018555_healt ... sugar.html
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Post by cbavasi » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 9:02 pm

Cedele do pre-order cakes for diabetics - and also egg free, dairy free, gluten free cakes/loaves. They do specialty orders - maybe give them a call.

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Post by gravida » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:32 pm

Well, I do have diabetes and I do see HUGE difference between sugar (sucrose/glucose) and fructose. The effect on health? In my opinion very different, especially that it's actually sweeter than a regular sucrose, so you use less of it... but I am not imposing my point of view to others ;) I am just looking for a solution that I consider appropriate.

And here big thanks to cbavasi. That was useful :)

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Post by nakatago » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:37 pm

I must insist though that you try baking the cake and we be able to try it.
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Post by JR8 » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:58 pm

One of my nephews from being able to eat for himself until the age of c.7 refused to eat anything but Waitrose pork chipolatas. We all thought he'd turn into some toothless wizened freak by his teens.

Instead now 13 or so he is currently in the Leicester Tigers 'gifted young player programme' (or some such name). Given the stars that team has produced this is no mean feat. So the left-field diet certainly seems to have not held him back, on the contrary...

My interest is purely scientific and objective and from former uni studies in biochemistry. I feel knowledgeable enough to separate the sausage from it's sizzle as such :)

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Post by gravida » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 7:08 am

Good for your nephew, JR8.
However, people are different. One will go with no harm eating only chocolate and drinking Milo, the other may develop tooth decay brushing teeth 3x a day and eating only veggies and fruits and so on.
My child is at risk since I have diabetes, I do not see any rational reason why should I give white sugar to him, how is it going to help in his development? What does he need the sugar for? So, I simply do not see any pros and few cons.
With dairy, nuts and honey - they are highly allergenic and generally not recommended for youngsters. I am yet to try to give him egg white, as this also can trigger allergy. So far he was only exposed to egg yolk.
I just do not see why should I take a risk and give my child products that he has never tried and are potentially harmful to him, if the only thing on my side is to take an extra effort to look for some alternatives.
And here, thanks to the message board, I have already couple of options, including the easy one - ordering from Cedele.

BTW, beppi, what sugar are you talking about?
Dried fruits contain sugar and fructose as well, in most cases quite a lot of it.
Fructose is a sugar, naturally occurring in fruits. Of course there will be more of it in a dried fruit, as there is no/little water and higher density. But it will be still just fructose. Suddenly, just in the process of drying, other monosaccharides will not appear from nothing. Unless, you will sprinkle it with sugar.

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Post by JR8 » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 7:33 am

gravida wrote:Good for your nephew, JR8.
However, people are different. One will go with no harm eating only chocolate and drinking Milo, the other may develop tooth decay brushing teeth 3x a day and eating only veggies and fruits and so on.
My child is at risk since I have diabetes, I do not see any rational reason why should I give white sugar to him, how is it going to help in his development? What does he need the sugar for? So, I simply do not see any pros and few cons.
With dairy, nuts and honey - they are highly allergenic and generally not recommended for youngsters. I am yet to try to give him egg white, as this also can trigger allergy. So far he was only exposed to egg yolk.
I just do not see why should I take a risk and give my child products that he has never tried and are potentially harmful to him, if the only thing on my side is to take an extra effort to look for some alternatives.
And here, thanks to the message board, I have already couple of options, including the easy one - ordering from Cedele.

BTW, beppi, what sugar are you talking about?
Dried fruits contain sugar and fructose as well, in most cases quite a lot of it.
Fructose is a sugar, naturally occurring in fruits. Of course there will be more of it in a dried fruit, as there is no/little water and higher density. But it will be still just fructose. Suddenly, just in the process of drying, other monosaccharides will not appear from nothing. Unless, you will sprinkle it with sugar.
Hi Gravida,
Your mention of having inherited diabetes came a bit late to the discussion, I was already on a roll, apologies :) I can understand why sugar metabolism figures larger on your radar than it otherwise might. (Perhaps KSL will be along shortly to give us the second installment on Kreb's Cycle :wink: )
I don't think it matters that fructose 'occurs naturally', so does sucrose. At the end of the day it is simply a chemical, an identical one irrespective of it's source, natural, or some stinking chemical plant in Jurong.
I can see the pluses of it having a lower GI-Index. He should go through less sugar-swings I expect, which for a parent (and neighbouring passengers on aeroplanes) can only be a plus.
Good luck!

p.s. I think it was the overtones of fructose being somehow 'not sugar', and being 'natural hence better' that distracted me... :)

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Post by gravida » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 7:56 am

Yes, you are right, I did not express myself precisely. I have mentioned "sugar" not explaining, what I mean.
Metabolism of fructose is different than for example glucose. It is even mentioned in Wikipedia:
All three dietary monosaccharides are transported into the liver by the GLUT 2 transporter.[33] Fructose and galactose are phosphorylated in the liver by fructokinase (Km= 0.5 mM) and galactokinase (Km = 0.8 mM). By contrast, glucose tends to pass through the liver (Km of hepatic glucokinase = 10 mM) and can be metabolised anywhere in the body. Uptake of fructose by the liver is not regulated by insulin. However, insulin is capable of increasing the abundance and functional activity of GLUT5 in skeletal muscle cells.
The fact that I have diabetes, yes, most likely is driving me a bit with avoiding glucose, but I do not have any allergies and still do not give products-at-risk to my child. Hence, I did not feel it is necessary for me to give my health history when I first asked for help in locating suitable bakery.
I mentioned about diabetes only because someone mentioned that no matter what kind of sugar we are eating, the metabolism is the same. What kind of bull poopie (it is a joke, I am not trying to insult anyone) is that my glucose meter can tell the best ;)

Anyway, I have mentioned in my very first post that I am aware that a bit of sugar will not kill my child, but I still want to check my options.

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Post by JR8 » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 8:13 am

Out of interest how do you see this going forward? I mean at some point when he is not under your direct day-to-day control he will be consuming sucrose. And the longer he is in the commercial mainstream (growing older) the higher the ratio of Sucrose vs others is likely to be.

Do you see the steering towards fructose in his early years as a healthy and/or preventive foundation for the future?

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Post by gravida » Fri, 07 Oct 2011 8:40 am

Haha, we had discussion today with my husband.
I am not going to force our boy into eating fructose only products. I think it is important to be careful in the first year- year and a half. His body is still developing, especially during the 1st year. I do not give him salt for the same reason. I introduced gluten around 6months, I slowly expand his diet. Mainly basing on the articles found in the internet, I can't count on my paediatrician unfortunately.
Maybe I am overreacting, overdoing it, but as long as the boy is not affected socially (all my friend eat in McDonalds...), I am convinced I am not hurting him in any way and there are some rational arguments behind it.
So, in general, I need to sit down and discuss with my husband when and how we are going to expand his diet. We are not able to 'protect' him through his life and to be frank, we do not want to. Come on, even being diabetic, I am eating sweets time to time. Moreover, I hope the little one inherited his father's genes and can eat sugar till feeling sick without any health disturbances.
It is not the time yet, maybe in couple of months.
It is very personal, so I am not trying to convince here anyone. If someone wants to give a chocolate birthday cake with super sweet frosting to his/ her 1year old - go ahead :) I will keep my mouth shut

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