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Post by piggy88 » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 1:42 pm

Seriously I dont know who I can believe ard...

I managed to get the cert of ownership online, she is not the owner...
Then my friend and I decided to report to the police...

Instead of helping us, the police say ' what proof can u say that u has been cheated?'

i replied,' she told me she is the owner but in reality, she is not. i got the cert of ownership online fro website.'

she said' u dont have the right to check the cert of ownership'
' pls get the agreement first then wait until the day u move in, if u really cant move in then u can report to small claim department'

i was thinking, if i dont hv the right to check the cert then why government create this website that allow other ppl to check the cert, charge money somemore.
Get the agreement 1st, that mean I hv to throw $1500 more to let the self claimed owner eat, is it?

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Post by piggy88 » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 1:43 pm

Seriously disappointed...
are they going to wait until more and more people get cheat then they will take action...

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 1:48 pm

piggy88 wrote:Seriously disappointed...
are they going to wait until more and more people get cheat then they will take action...
As I said, if you put down the full deposit, and if she didn't give you the property on the 1st of November, or furnish you the contract/proper receipt, you have a police case. And Breach of trust ..

As of now, you are only having a case of paranoia ..

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Post by carteki » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 1:54 pm

If the agent won't meet with you, ask a friend to set up a "viewing" for other flats they're renting. Then give them a letter demanding the return of the money and video the hand over. You may have enough ammunition to pursue them in the small claims court (search this forum for some more information) and tell them as much (the "token" may be accepted as a receipt).

Are you sure the agents IC is legit? Did you check that?

Report the "agent" to the CEA and the police for acting without a license (if they don't have one). Don't bother with "fraud" and other things. That one will stick.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 2:06 pm

carteki wrote:If the agent won't meet with you, ask a friend to set up a "viewing" for other flats they're renting. Then give them a letter demanding the return of the money and video the hand over. You may have enough ammunition to pursue them in the small claims court (search this forum for some more information) and tell them as much (the "token" may be accepted as a receipt).

Are you sure the agents IC is legit? Did you check that?

Report the "agent" to the CEA and the police for acting without a license (if they don't have one). Don't bother with "fraud" and other things. That one will stick.
as I said, that maybe drastic .. and too much, too soon

Many an agent hold power of attorney from owners, as the owners are overseas investors, and more likely, as the property in question is private / condo .. and owners to have more than one unit is not abnormal .. (ah, heard Ong Beng Seng bought over a whole tower in one of the condos .. )

So, rather than jumping the gun, I would still say "play proper".

Put up the balance deposit, and ask for contract / draft / proper receipt, and IF THE AGENT REFUSES, then you have a sold case, and even CEA will act.

Until then, your case to CEA is only one of acting without license, and if that is true only ..

Or did I miss something ???


PS: piggy88: cops here are much better than the regional police .. and they take time to explain to you the legal aspects, as this is more of a civil dispute, which they, by right, can decide not to do .. says my 2 cents.

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Post by piggy88 » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 3:16 pm

the lady self claimed she is the owner, she nvr say she is an agent..

But how can she say she is the owner when the cert i got online is not under her name?

that one also not consider cheating, then I really dont know what is consider cheating...
if she is the owner relative, n is authorise by, then she should say she is the owner relative, not said she is the owner

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 3:21 pm

piggy88 wrote:the lady self claimed she is the owner, she nvr say she is an agent..

But how can she say she is the owner when the cert i got online is not under her name?

that one also not consider cheating, then I really dont know what is consider cheating...
if she is the owner relative, n is authorise by, then she should say she is the owner relative, not said she is the owner
Since you are persistant and insist you got cheated, to make you happy, let me say "you got cheated" .. Happy now ?? :) :)

Well, as I said, a lot of agents have power of attorney for owners, and their are the de-facto owners, when it comes to leasing, and such .. though the land registry will NOT list them as the owner.

And I did remind you, the chance of such is extremely high, when it comes for condos, and more than enough foreign owner has more than one units in the same area .. (atleast I know a few who own 2 or 3 units till they also mix up which is which .. )

And if I am the power-of-attorney holder, and if I tell you I am not the owner, and I am authorised to do all transactions, will you or not pull the same and say "I only deal with owner ?? "

As I said, there is no law broken, but, if you are so fearful, ask for the money back, and if she refuses, file a case ..

Or pay up the full deposit and ask for a contract, and if the party refuses, then you have a valid case.

Maybe I am not smart as many here, but can somebody say whether I am harping the wrong song here ???

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Post by piggy88 » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 3:59 pm

i nvr said tat i only deal w owner..
but if she is not the owner, she should just say she is authorised by the owner instead of kept claiming that she is the owner.

isnt it suspicious?

I can accept if she said she is authorised and show us the authorised letter, the transaction can still continue to discuss..
the way she said she is the owner, only make me doubt her intention

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 04 Oct 2011 4:12 pm

piggy88 wrote:i nvr said tat i only deal w owner..
but if she is not the owner, she should just say she is authorised by the owner instead of kept claiming that she is the owner.

isnt it suspicious?
In my opinion, debatable, as many a tenant will walk away if they find the agent has full PoA. which I am assuming in this case

And many a landlord who are such investor don't want every tenant knocking their door asking for rental details ..
I can accept if she said she is authorised and show us the authorised letter, the transaction can still continue to discuss..
the way she said she is the owner, only make me doubt her intention
So, as I said, if in doubt, walk away :) :)

You have the choice, than prolonging your pain ..

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Post by ausinsg » Thu, 06 Oct 2011 4:01 am

ecureilx wrote:(ah, heard Ong Beng Seng bought over a whole tower in one of the condos .. )
From memory it was Costa Del Sol! :)

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