What happens if you ditch NS?

[the lynx]

People who solicit PMs/emails are Takers from this community. Much like dirty Quitters are to the country I suppose.

Of course it's always 'just this one time, just in case' .... blah.... me me me me.

Chill, JR8, he's new, and young. He may have not grasp the whole idea of forum - yet.

[JR8]

Ah bollocks it's 4am and I'm in a rabble rousing mood


p.s. Put it another way the child is demanding the answer 'yes, you're ok' to his questions. He's not getting it, so he keeps on asking. ....

I appreciate that he is young. And also that he is clearly not stupid (note his fine grasp of the English language)... but he is asking grown up questions about joining the grown up world...

[mrbakchormee]

Can I suggest you not solicit people to PM you? The point of a forum is for public debate from which we all might benefit.

Oh I completely understand and wish for the same but I was suggesting that for the off-chance that for some personal reason, he would feel better not making it public but tell it to whom it would directly benefit in privacy

Point noted but still, with such anonymity here in this forum, he doesn't have to worry about it

Well that's re-assuring if he sees it

[TravellingMan]

My parents keep saying that if I don't do NS, then they'll go to jail. They won't tell me anything beyond that, which is a bit annoying. I keep getting told that I owe Singapore something, but I left the country when I was 3. I don't think I owe them anything.

If I had the choice of ditching NS, and never being allowed to come back (without getting arrested/or fined), then I would be okay with it. My mother is from Singapore, my dad is from Malaysia. I don't know if that is relevant, but I thought it was a worth a mention.

Parents shouldn't lay a guilt trip on their children. Your parents can meet you in Malaysia or anywhere but Singapore. Ask your parents to have a private discussion with an officer - operative word is officer, not clerk or some person who doesn't know a thing - about your situation. Maybe or they need to do is to pay a fine. That's the least they should do for you..

[Mad Scientist]

Parents shouldn't lay a guilt trip on their children. Your parents can meet you in Malaysia or anywhere but Singapore. Ask your parents to have a private discussion with an officer - operative word is officer, not clerk or some person who doesn't know a thing - about your situation. Maybe or they need to do is to pay a fine. That's the least they should do for you..

Whom do you suggest this officer will be ?
A lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonle, Brigadier General, Major General or who?
Even an MP cannot do much to alleviate this situation once you cross the line nor does the PM .
Is it the ICA officer or Supervisor or even the Director of ICA ?

[alantang_sha]

Hi, my son is 16.5 now, now going through the stage of Bond or guarantor. My son was born in SG 1996, with SG Citizenship by birth as well as inherited AU citizenship from myself (Im AU citizen & SG PR). We left SG @Mid2006 for oversea job assignment, when he was 10. We followed the rules, to send a letter to CMPB about our intention to renounce my son Sg citizenship @2008, but got rejected. After discussing with CMPB officers, she suggested us to apply EP for my son when he reached 13 (2009), reapply when expired, then when 16.5 , reapply/send an appeal letter to defer his NS till 21 yo, pending SG renounce. Any advices will be appreciated, to help out case.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Have you given up your Sg PR? Why not? This is going to be your stumbling block as it shows that your intent is to return to Singapore. Until such time as you give up PR, I'm pretty much convinced that your son will be rejected again. Again, your spouse, I assume, is still a Singaporean Citizen as well, correct? So this is yet another reason why they will not give him a deferment. As it appears you are leaving the back door open to return to Singapore at a later date. They are wise to those kinds of tricks.

[the lynx]

I have a question about that (sorry to detour for a bit), if a foreigner with PR left Singapore for a long long time, technically is the said person still a PR?

Because I assume that the REP is long gone, and we all know what happens when REP is expired (or renewal is rejected) when the PR is outside of Singapore, the PR is terminated...

Do correct me if I'm wrong.

[Strong Eagle]

I have a question about that (sorry to detour for a bit), if a foreigner with PR left Singapore for a long long time, technically is the said person still a PR?

Because I assume that the REP is long gone, and we all know what happens when REP is expired (or renewal is rejected) when the PR is outside of Singapore, the PR is terminated...

Do correct me if I'm wrong.

I have written to ICA about this very thing. By law, you are required to notify change of address within 30 days... if you've gone out of country and do not do so, what is the impact? Should have answer in 5 days or so.

[alantang_sha]

Have you given up your Sg PR? Why not? This is going to be your stumbling block as it shows that your intent is to return to Singapore. Until such time as you give up PR, I'm pretty much convinced that your son will be rejected again. Again, your spouse, I assume, is still a Singaporean Citizen as well, correct? So this is yet another reason why they will not give him a deferment. As it appears you are leaving the back door open to return to Singapore at a later date. They are wise to those kinds of tricks.

SMS, thanks for the quick response.
After serving NS, sg will ask my son to choose SG or AU as SG does not allow dual citizenship. This does not make sense to me, I did explain to CMPB officer our intention to keep AU, and it will be a waste of resources to let my son going through NS, and he will not be able to serve SG. Also, I don't see why SG not letting the kids finishing their 1st degree if accepted by "qualified" univ, then back to serve NS. This has/will disturb the study cycle of Sg kids & parents. Worst still, Some univ may not be willing to defer/wait for NS completion..

[nakatago]

After serving NS, sg will ask my son to choose SG or AU as SG does not allow dual citizenship. This does not make sense to me, I did explain to CMPB officer our intention to keep AU, and it will be a waste of resources to let my son going through NS, and he will not be able to serve SG. Also, I don't see why SG not letting the kids finishing their 1st degree if accepted by "qualified" univ, then back to serve NS. This has/will disturb the study cycle of Sg kids & parents. Worst still, Some univ may not be willing to defer/wait for NS completion..

Just let your son serve NS. Think of it as extended summer camp so at least you can reconcile the rationale for your son to serve NS even with Singapore not being able to get a return on investment if your son renounces SG citizenship to become an ozzie.

[zzm9980]

After serving NS, sg will ask my son to choose SG or AU as SG does not allow dual citizenship. This does not make sense to me, I did explain to CMPB officer our intention to keep AU,

Maybe after serving NS he'll want to keep SG?

[taxico]

...Also, I don't see why SG not letting the kids finishing their 1st degree if accepted by "qualified" univ, then back to serve NS. This has/will disturb the study cycle of Sg kids & parents. Worst still, Some univ may not be willing to defer/wait for NS completion..

even lesser incentive for a university graduate (if they some how manage to complete their course) to return and serve NS as they will become more mobile with a bachelor's degree.

but exceptions exist. i went through basic military training in singapore and there were a few university graduates in my platoon. they looked rather old, compared to the rest of the cohort.

also, there are full time NS men who have successfully disrupted their NS to enter and complete their university degrees before returning to serve the remainder of their NS term (usually with either a small or big remainder - none "in between"). though i suspect this is not an easy task for most to accomplish.

finally, if a university refuses to hold a place for a potential student that needs to complete NS, then either the university is awful or the potential student's grades are awful. both of which will make NS disruption outlined above rather difficult.

[alantang_sha]

...Also, I don't see why SG not letting the kids finishing their 1st degree if accepted by "qualified" univ, then back to serve NS. This has/will disturb the study cycle of Sg kids & parents. Worst still, Some univ may not be willing to defer/wait for NS completion..

even lesser incentive for a university graduate (if they some how manage to complete their course) to return and serve NS as they will become more mobile with a bachelor's degree.

but exceptions exist. i went through basic military training in singapore and there were a few university graduates in my platoon. they looked rather old, compared to the rest of the cohort.

also, there are full time NS men who have successfully disrupted their NS to enter and complete their university degrees before returning to serve the remainder of their NS term (usually with either a small or big remainder - none "in between"). though i suspect this is not an easy task for most to accomplish.

finally, if a university refuses to hold a place for a potential student that needs to complete NS, then either the university is awful or the potential student's grades are awful. both of which will make NS disruption outlined above rather difficult.

quite a few universities willing to hold for 1 year, but not 2 years. Acceptance grades may change in 2 years, that the grade may be ok to get in now, but may not be good enough to get a seat 2 years later. Oversea universities (esp good univ) may not be interesteed about SG NS duty.

[taxico]

...Also, I don't see why SG not letting the kids finishing their 1st degree if accepted by "qualified" univ, then back to serve NS. This has/will disturb the study cycle of Sg kids & parents. Worst still, Some univ may not be willing to defer/wait for NS completion..

...finally, if a university refuses to hold a place for a potential student that needs to complete NS, then either the university is awful or the potential student's grades are awful. both of which will make NS disruption outlined above rather difficult.

quite a few universities willing to hold for 1 year, but not 2 years. Acceptance grades may change in 2 years, that the grade may be ok to get in now, but may not be good enough to get a seat 2 years later. Oversea universities (esp good univ) may not be interesteed about SG NS duty.

all good universities i know have no problem holding a spot for 2 years for prospective singapore students with good grades but need to fulfill their NS obligations first.

before serving NS and going to college, i asked the admissions office if they'd be able to hold a spot for me if i changed my mind and wanted to volunteer for early enlistment. they said no problemo (granted this was a long time ago).

i went to a university in my home state of new york. it is not a "top" school nor were my grades stellar but i know many people that prove my original statement is as such. even ones that are just entering universities now.