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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 4:14 am

Pazo5 wrote:I don't want to 'ditch' my parents. If it comes to the point that I ditch NS and won't be able to see them anymore, then I'll do my NS. But until then, I'll keep on trying to find a way to avoid it.

BTW, my parents and I live in Ireland. My grandparents live in SG and Malaysia. My dad hasn't seen his mother in about 5 years, so ditching must run in the family.


I can answer you that. How about sex orientation procedure ?
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Postby Pazo5 » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 4:17 am

JR8 wrote:So what was your question again?

How can you avoid doing NS, without any consequences?


No, my actual question was 'how to avoid NS without my parents/family going to jail'

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 5:03 am

Pazo5 wrote:
JR8 wrote:So what was your question again?

How can you avoid doing NS, without any consequences?


No, my actual question was 'how to avoid NS without my parents/family going to jail'


Your original post did not contain any question, rather a couple of bald statements of fact. Hence the confusion I think, in trying to work out what you are really asking.

If you default you default, I can't see that there is route A with X consequences and route B with Y. Some of the consequences are known (known knowns, as such), and some are unknown (known unknowns). It is impossible to say definitively whether you defaulting could ultimately lead to your parents being jailed as it is a known unknown.

But if I were you I'd pay very close attention to what Mad Scientist has to say. Alternatively why don't you phone up the NS people and ask them, they'll know?

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 7:52 am

Pazo5 wrote:
JR8 wrote:So what was your question again?

How can you avoid doing NS, without any consequences?


No, my actual question was 'how to avoid NS without my parents/family going to jail'


Parents going to jail , I doubt so. Constant torment and difficulty in renewing SG PP or anything related to gahmen, possible
For yourself , you will get your arse kick around if you do a runner
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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:54 am

Mad Scientist wrote: I can answer you that. How about sex orientation procedure ?


LOVE IT CHIEF :D :D

And actively seeks ways to get exempted ?? :D :D

I was told (not sure) people of 'different sex' are allocated desk jobs / light jobs .. and medically unfit is a reason to be exempted .. am I right ???
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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 29 Sep 2011 4:50 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote: I can answer you that. How about sex orientation procedure ?[/b]


LOVE IT CHIEF :D :D

And actively seeks ways to get exempted ?? :D :D

I was told (not sure) people of 'different sex' are allocated desk jobs / light jobs .. and medically unfit is a reason to be exempted .. am I right ???


Nah. homosexual in the army is a taboo. As long you have something that stuck in between your legs, you are a Man and "be a Man" as what Russell Peters said,
Yes, there are those softies type that will be desk bound. You can see many of them at CMPB or Mindef but not at the battalion camps as most of the intakes are either Pes A or B albeit physical and mentally fit.

To OP: Out of curiosity, what age category are you now. Have you applied for Exit Permit while living in Ireland ?
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Postby Pazo5 » Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:04 am

I'm 13. I've been applied for a exit permit already...

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 30 Sep 2011 3:47 am

Pazo5 wrote:I'm 13. I've been applied for a exit permit already...


I would have thought so ..... Should your parent be the one to decide for you?
You are soyoung and do not know what the futures hold for you. If you shut all the doors, it will bite you later in life. Regret in life for a stupid mistake you or your parent did will only cost you later in life.
NS obligation is not that bad . It is only 2 years and if you are fit , it will be One year and 7 months approx. It is like a walk in the park. My time is 2 and half years in the 70s. We are trained by the best ; aka Mossad aka Israelis. So this is nothing . It is just like working in the Mac Donalds. So many welfares and benefits provided by the NS men.
Anyway you got to "bang , bang !! "
Ireland is in big mess right now due to financial instability
If your parent wants to comms with me. Use your nick and ask ques and I will see how to help you guys make informed decision about your life.
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Postby Koalabear » Mon, 03 Oct 2011 4:03 am

I think some posters here are beating around the bush without answering the question -> I will give you a direct and honest answer because I know 2 families who defaulted.

Once you default,

1) CMPB people will ask your parents who live in Singapore to drink coffee with them and ask WTF is going on. If they feel they have been instrumental in assisting you to default NS they will prosecute them in court. However, usually it won't be that easy to prove they have been harboring you overseas (if the house you live in is not under their name and no money trail from their bank account to support you financially) so they will use a series of harassment tactics instead.
2) Harassment tactics include house visits, telling everyone in your extended family that you have defaulted (my friend's grandfather got the brunt of the harassment after his dad finally left Singapore)
3) Withholding certain government monetary benefits
4) take aim at CPF
5) take aim at HDB flat (doesn't affect my friends because they live in condo)

No, they won't go to jail and can carry out their business as usual but PAP will try to make their life miserable as though they owed PAP something. Some parents just continue making their $ in Singapore until they deem it enough to retire overseas with their defaulter sons. So far my friends never regretted much as both of them saved 2 years of their prime and managed to access a much higher paying larger labor market in North America where the starting pay is 2.5X of what they will get in Singapore. (unemployment is a problem for the blue-collar class but less so for the educated ones working in hot fields such as IT)

Do not buy into the emergency landing in Singapore and get caught later risk. The chances of that are extremely low -> why? Singapore is not Hong Kong, not Tokyo, and not even Shanghai. There is already a surplus of great transit hubs so what are the chances of a flight being diverted for emergency landing in Singapore when it was headed to Shanghai, Hong Kong and Tokyo? ZERO

So that is their situation. Singapore needs them more than they need Singapore .... for now. However, they have 2 passports: one from the most powerful country in the world and the other from the most resourceful country in the world. Ireland (who needs to be bailed out by EU) doesn't sound to me like it has the ability to print money out of thin air to create jobs or sell black sands for real money so I will really consider serving PAP just to diversify my job prospects. I've served and never regretted because I wasn't clear on what to do with my life at that point and NS was a great vacation I remember very fondly. I am still keeping my passport so I can retire there in the future.

By the way, I hope you are thinking of defaulting because you a career vision to fulfill and not because you hate to pound mud. I always thought National Service = real army life I've seen on American TV but how wrong I was! I can remember my first reaction :shock: when I realized that you can actually go home on weekends and my parents felt more :shock: when I get to go home after BMT even on weekdays (depends on vocation)! Moreover you put military experience on your resume and ang mo employers overseas think you are some solid guy who is disciplined, hardworking and commands respect ROFL.

At the end of the day, you make your own decision and you accept the consequences. I hope that helps.

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Postby Koalabear » Mon, 03 Oct 2011 4:20 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
JR8 wrote:'Yeah round 'n around 'n up 'n down we go again'


There was a defaulter here asking questions some time ago. His mother was in Singapore, and was terminally ill. She could not travel and he could not visit her. The potential ramifications are wide.


I was the recipient to that comms via PM . All I can say , choices we made now may will have future ramifications.

To OP : if your parents decides to live here in SG, so much the better for the Gahmen. It will not going to be a living hell for them but the constant knock on the door for the next two to three years will be abit too much for old folks. Apart from the fine for failing to haul you back, yeah this will be your best "brilliant" move ditching your parent after all the things they have provided for you. Nice one mate !!


3 years only? That was your time?

My friend's Ah Gong just got another knock this year and its been like what? 8 years? The persistence of these CMPB people are quite remarkable I must say.

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Re: the truth

Postby mrbakchormee » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:14 am

Koalabear wrote:I think some posters here are beating around the bush without answering the question -> I will give you a direct and honest answer because I know 2 families who defaulted.

Once you default,

1) CMPB people will ask your parents who live in Singapore to drink coffee with them and ask WTF is going on. If they feel they have been instrumental in assisting you to default NS they will prosecute them in court. However, usually it won't be that easy to prove they have been harboring you overseas (if the house you live in is not under their name and no money trail from their bank account to support you financially) so they will use a series of harassment tactics instead.
2) Harassment tactics include house visits, telling everyone in your extended family that you have defaulted (my friend's grandfather got the brunt of the harassment after his dad finally left Singapore)
3) Withholding certain government monetary benefits
4) take aim at CPF
5) take aim at HDB flat (doesn't affect my friends because they live in condo)

No, they won't go to jail and can carry out their business as usual but PAP will try to make their life miserable as though they owed PAP something. Some parents just continue making their $ in Singapore until they deem it enough to retire overseas with their defaulter sons. So far my friends never regretted much as both of them saved 2 years of their prime and managed to access a much higher paying larger labor market in North America where the starting pay is 2.5X of what they will get in Singapore. (unemployment is a problem for the blue-collar class but less so for the educated ones working in hot fields such as IT)

Do not buy into the emergency landing in Singapore and get caught later risk. The chances of that are extremely low -> why? Singapore is not Hong Kong, not Tokyo, and not even Shanghai. There is already a surplus of great transit hubs so what are the chances of a flight being diverted for emergency landing in Singapore when it was headed to Shanghai, Hong Kong and Tokyo? ZERO

So that is their situation. Singapore needs them more than they need Singapore .... for now. However, they have 2 passports: one from the most powerful country in the world and the other from the most resourceful country in the world. Ireland (who needs to be bailed out by EU) doesn't sound to me like it has the ability to print money out of thin air to create jobs or sell black sands for real money so I will really consider serving PAP just to diversify my job prospects. I've served and never regretted because I wasn't clear on what to do with my life at that point and NS was a great vacation I remember very fondly. I am still keeping my passport so I can retire there in the future.

By the way, I hope you are thinking of defaulting because you a career vision to fulfill and not because you hate to pound mud. I always thought National Service = real army life I've seen on American TV but how wrong I was! I can remember my first reaction :shock: when I realized that you can actually go home on weekends and my parents felt more :shock: when I get to go home after BMT even on weekdays (depends on vocation)! Moreover you put military experience on your resume and ang mo employers overseas think you are some solid guy who is disciplined, hardworking and commands respect ROFL.

At the end of the day, you make your own decision and you accept the consequences. I hope that helps.


Hey koala, your reply has been of great help to me!
So, these 2 families that defaulted, do you mind giving me a little more detail as to how they defaulted and what has happened etc.?
You can PM me if it's a personal/long story, hope to hear from you!
thx again! :D

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Re: the truth

Postby JR8 » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:21 am

mrbakchormee wrote:You can PM me if it's a personal/long story, hope to hear from you!
thx again! :D


Can I suggest you not solicit people to PM you? The point of a forum is for public debate from which we all might benefit.

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Re: the truth

Postby mrbakchormee » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:31 am

JR8 wrote:
mrbakchormee wrote:You can PM me if it's a personal/long story, hope to hear from you!
thx again! :D


Can I suggest you not solicit people to PM you? The point of a forum is for public debate from which we all might benefit.


Oh I completely understand and wish for the same but I was suggesting that for the off-chance that for some personal reason, he would feel better not making it public but tell it to whom it would directly benefit in privacy :)

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Re: the truth

Postby the lynx » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:35 am

mrbakchormee wrote:
JR8 wrote:
mrbakchormee wrote:You can PM me if it's a personal/long story, hope to hear from you!
thx again! :D


Can I suggest you not solicit people to PM you? The point of a forum is for public debate from which we all might benefit.


Oh I completely understand and wish for the same but I was suggesting that for the off-chance that for some personal reason, he would feel better not making it public but tell it to whom it would directly benefit in privacy :)


Point noted but still, with such anonymity here in this forum, he doesn't have to worry about it :P

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:39 am

People who solicit PMs/emails are Takers from this community. Much like dirty Quitters are to the country I suppose.

Of course it's always 'just this one time, just in case' .... blah.... me me me me.


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