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Post by x9200 » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 2:45 am

No Saint, I did not call him a parasite, I only stated that this is how it does or may appear to the government in the discussed context explaining their reluctance in granting him a longer time visa.
Perhaps as a part of your running crusade against anything you perceive malicious you could also put some effort and read the messages without immediately assuming some bad intentions?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 7:02 am

Saint, this time, I have to agree with x9200. (even though he said I could have looked parasitic as well). My reasoning? Saying someone's activities appear to look a certain way is a lot different that saying a person IS that way.

But, I would take issue with the fact that I was thrown into the same lion's den as well, as I worked the 1st 11 years I was here. The fact that the gahmen didn't want me is a different story than me not working at all. I was willing, but they were unable. Lot of difference than me trying to avoid it altogether.
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Post by BillyB » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 7:08 am

The whole idea of coming to live in Singapore to 'contribute to the education in the Country' is exceptionally naive.

OP - there is no commitment from your part to contribute both economically and from a residential perspective to Singapore in the long-term. The government isn't green - they know the routes people take to circumvent committing some sort of rooting to the Country.

Ask yourself what are you really giving that is tangible to Singapore and you'll probably have the reasons why they are restricting your visa.

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Post by JR8 » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 7:20 am

I, within the context of the discussion, 'did nothing for SG'. Still they gave me 12 month LTVPs both times...

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Post by Saint » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 8:48 am

x9200 wrote:No Saint, I did not call him a parasite, I only stated that this is how it does or may appear to the government in the discussed context explaining their reluctance in granting him a longer time visa.
Perhaps as a part of your running crusade against anything you perceive malicious you could also put some effort and read the messages without immediately assuming some bad intentions?
Throughout your posting by using the word "I" this refers to a person's personal opinion which is the way I read it. You should have made it clearer if you were referring to the Government's opinion.

And a couple of postings isn't a crusade it's expressing one's opinion

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 8:54 am

A lot has changed here since September 2009...... :(
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Post by Saint » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 8:55 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Saint, this time, I have to agree with x9200. (even though he said I could have looked parasitic as well). My reasoning? Saying someone's activities appear to look a certain way is a lot different that saying a person IS that way.

But, I would take issue with the fact that I was thrown into the same lion's den as well, as I worked the 1st 11 years I was here. The fact that the gahmen didn't want me is a different story than me not working at all. I was willing, but they were unable. Lot of difference than me trying to avoid it altogether.
According to the Government's definition of a parasite that's what you were, and JR8 and me

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 9:03 am

True. But not for the want of trying. :wink:

Then again, maybe not. I have NEVER been on an LTVP at all. Nor a Dependents Pass. I lived here as a tourist on a tourist visa for the first 11 years. So, technically, I wasn't a parasite, but one of the favoured ones (tourists with money to burn......)
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Post by x9200 » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 9:11 am

Saint wrote:Throughout your posting by using the word "I" this refers to a person's personal opinion which is the way I read it. You should have made it clearer if you were referring to the Government's opinion.
It is about the words and phrases used to express the opinion: "looks" instead of "it is"; "your motives"; "external perspective". All these clearly show that I did not make any categoric statements. Whether this is my or the government's opinion is not really important.

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Post by Saint » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 9:16 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:True. But not for the want of trying. :wink:

Then again, maybe not. I have NEVER been on an LTVP at all. Nor a Dependents Pass. I lived here as a tourist on a tourist visa for the first 11 years. So, technically, I wasn't a parasite, but one of the favoured ones (tourists with money to burn......)
And what about trailing spouses??

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Post by x9200 » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:11 am

Parasitic behavior would be if you choose not to contribute (by any usual means) using the resources of your host / family /etc. Trailing spouses typically take care of the household, children etc. This is often a full-time job and they contribute a lot.

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Post by Saint » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:25 am

x9200 wrote:Parasitic behavior would be if you choose not to contribute (by any usual means) using the resources of your host / family /etc. Trailing spouses typically take care of the household, children etc. This is often a full-time job and they contribute a lot.
I think you'll find in many case the maid does all that :cool:

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:06 am

Saint wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:True. But not for the want of trying. :wink:

Then again, maybe not. I have NEVER been on an LTVP at all. Nor a Dependents Pass. I lived here as a tourist on a tourist visa for the first 11 years. So, technically, I wasn't a parasite, but one of the favoured ones (tourists with money to burn......)
And what about trailing spouses??
What trailing spouse? :???:
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Post by Saint » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:37 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Saint wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:True. But not for the want of trying. :wink:

Then again, maybe not. I have NEVER been on an LTVP at all. Nor a Dependents Pass. I lived here as a tourist on a tourist visa for the first 11 years. So, technically, I wasn't a parasite, but one of the favoured ones (tourists with money to burn......)
And what about trailing spouses??
What trailing spouse? :???:
Not you, but in general trailing spouses (who do not have children or have a maid)

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Post by x9200 » Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:40 am

Saint wrote:
x9200 wrote:Parasitic behavior would be if you choose not to contribute (by any usual means) using the resources of your host / family /etc. Trailing spouses typically take care of the household, children etc. This is often a full-time job and they contribute a lot.
I think you'll find in many case the maid does all that :cool:
I am painfully aware of it, but let me pretend for a moment that I believe in a crystal purity of the human nature where all the behavior and intentions are strictly honorable :)

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