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Postby ksl » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 3:08 am

JR8 wrote:Thing is we know what the Asians are like. They are superstitious and believe in a lot of hocum.

Nipple whitening cream? Skin whitening drips? Grow-taller pill? Ghosts? Toilet point wrong way?


I don't see anything approaching vinegar can do what a bottle of Cuvee Rot can't. How can it, chemically, physiologically?

If you care to reply: facts not hocum please.


First of all to get the facts, we would need the ingredients I presume in a bottle of Cuvee Rot, you would have Cuvee Rot Red Grapes! These Grapes are before the wine is made. Check the NUTRIENT BALANCE and PROTEIN QUALITY on each then compare with Red Wine.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fru ... ces/1920/2

V's Brown Rice http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cer ... sta/5706/2 + Red Grapes

Fermented Red Grape Wine http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beverages/3847/2


It's quite obvious that the materials used in the fermentation process is very important to achieve the highest nutritional value along with the highest protein quality to cover the spectrum of amino acids.

You will notice there is no amino acids in Red Grape Wine, though there could be if you add protein materials to it.

The only negative factor would be the alcohol and its calories
http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.go ... lcalc.aspx Which have no nutritional value and go to the FAT reserves. 4oz =80 calories

Though Red Wine is excellent for heart health if taken in moderation a glass or 2 a day, as the Natural Phenol Resveratrol is excellent for cardiovascular health

This last link is rather important and done by a very famous Professor in biochemistry has it is the natural phenols in the fruits, that are also of great importance, If i'm not wrong the plum has the highest reseveratrol, with little or non found in the red grape.

So again its the quality of fruits that are also used in fermentation of Red wines and Vinegars, I can only prove what has been tested of course, not vinegars that have not been tested.

http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/V ... 82W5-1.pdf

Though the questions i posed, was really to ask if a foreigner not Chinese would choose from the above list, All of which have acids and some with unhealthy acids.

All fruit that is over ripe contains acetic acid, and no amino acids unless there is sufficient protein in the fruit. Brown rice contains 18 amino acids and 5% calcium. 8 of the amino acids are essential to the Krebs cycle, which generates 1 currency of energy per cycle...

If there is no amino acids free flowing through nutrition throughout the day and the energy levels are reduced after 30 minutes of hard work, the body will start to break down its only protein reserves muscles, to extract the amino acids it needs, to keep the metabolic cycle turning, its mostly quite logical really that it needs these chemicals to run more smoothly, just like an Olympic athlete cannot compete on normal food they need a little help, sadly its still out of control. Though you can read that my medication also improves cardiovascular performance, but inhibits fat burning.

I'm taking a heart medication which is called vastarel which inhibits the breakdown of fatty acid to flow in the blood stream, side effect is of course weight gain, as it interferes with the metabolic process. http://www.heartandmetabolism.org/issue ... starel.asp. My weight loss has been mostly muscle with 1 inch reduction on my biceps with only a small amount of fat loss the last 8 weeks.

Though I refuse to take statins for cholesterol because they are man made and which the source was stolen from the TCM Chinese and their vinegar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_yeast_rice is what they also make vinegar with and has been around for centuries.

Though the fact people die of heart attacks in their 30's and 40's comes has a great surprise and shock to the most of us, but it shouldn't considering the junk food we eat and the fact that it is normal for the arteries to build up cholesterol if not on a proper diet, I myself have arteries closing at 30% 40% and 60% even though I have been athletic all my life, I have mixed it with binge drinking, and smoking too, with plenty of free radicals causing havoc. So there is no harm in drinking vinegars if it does the same as statins and break down fatty acids, there is no magic hokus pokus at all, it just corrects what has gone wrong by balancing the pH which in turn keeps us all healthy(Correct fuel mixture) for the right engine :lol:

Though it must have the essential amino acids, which apple cider doesn't have. Its through my research that i believe its not actually the vinegar but more the correct ingredients for brewing, and the amino acids which also effect the immune system. When the body starts to break down its own muscle to get the essential amino acids, the body becomes weaker and the immune system becomes weaker too, facts on wikipedia under immune system.

I think there are all kinds of vinegars in Takashimaya this weekend for the Autumn festival Japanese, Korean, Chinese

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 4:44 am

Your post pains even my 80s A-Level biology! :?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 5:08 am

JR8, bet you'll be careful what you ask for the next time. We forgot to tell you, ksl's even more long-winded that I am. Especially when it's a topic close to his heart (pun intended)..... :lol:

Or any topic, for that matter, even a rant against the British Government. :P

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 5:18 am

Wow, don't really need a tidal wave of miracle-health-pills-wash. I mean where amongst all the overpriced bullshit do you start? Don't get me started on this phoney bull!


ps. you're up early this morning soldier. Rota for reveille? lol

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Postby earthfriendly » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 6:55 am

KSL, now you have got me sold on vinegar. Can you recommend a brand :P ? Please keep it short.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 8:27 am

JR8 wrote:Wow, don't really need a tidal wave of miracle-health-pills-wash. I mean where amongst all the overpriced bullshit do you start? Don't get me started on this phoney bull!


ps. you're up early this morning soldier. Rota for reveille? lol


Got up a 3 am. 3:30 drove over to the Senoko Fishery Port in Woodlands and bought around 2.5 dozen Mangrove Crabs (wanted Flower crabs but all were tiny and the moon's wrong anyway, but sod it, we felt like Chesapeake Bay style Steamed Crabs. So with half a dozen bottles of Old Bay Seasoning, couple cans of beer & a bottle of "vinegar" for the steam. I'll start steaming around 2'ish this avro. Son's birthday was on the 15th & mine's next Wed so we though we'd split the difference. Some cheddar cubes, Boiled Corn on the Cob, and a bit of Chili Crab (wife's must have!), french loaf for mopping up the gravy & beer to wash down the steamed crabs! Lookin' forward to this avro! :mrgreen:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 8:33 am

earthfriendly wrote:KSL, now you have got me sold on vinegar. Can you recommend a brand :P ? Please keep it short.


He could but then that would be advertising and he'd be up the creek without the proverbial paddle. Of course, he can always reply via PM........ :wink:

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:08 am

Wow that's some feast!

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Postby nakatago » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:36 pm

JR8 wrote:Wow, don't really need a tidal wave of miracle-health-pills-wash. I mean where amongst all the overpriced bullshit do you start? Don't get me started on this phoney bull!


I'm gonna come up with some pills that would truly be a cure-all! I'm gonna call it Placebo(TM) Sugar Pill.

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:47 pm

nakatago wrote:
JR8 wrote:Wow, don't really need a tidal wave of miracle-health-pills-wash. I mean where amongst all the overpriced bullshit do you start? Don't get me started on this phoney bull!


I'm gonna come up with some pills that would truly be a cure-all! I'm gonna call it Placebo(TM) Sugar Pill.


That's cool.

Back in Victorian England they routinely put cocaine and heroine in their 'patent remedies'.

Nothing like repeat customers. Eh what!
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 1:15 pm

Same way Coca~Cola got everybody hooked at the turn of last century. Medicinal Cocaine. Now has a poor substitute called caffeine.

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Postby nakatago » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 1:28 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Same way Coca~Cola got everybody hooked at the turn of last century. Medicinal Cocaine. Now has a poor substitute called caffeine.


Wow, Coca-Cola?!? Coke?!? I never would have guessed; their name sounds so innocent!!!

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 9:21 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Same way Coca~Cola got everybody hooked at the turn of last century. Medicinal Cocaine. Now has a poor substitute called caffeine.


I've heard this before but have never worked out if it was an urban myth. If it is true they go to some lengths to suppress it.


p.s. Down in Bolivia in the 80's they reckoned the local brand of Coke was brewed the same way. Then again if 100% crystal-flake straight out of the jungle is $1 a gram who cares about the beverages on the side.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:06 pm

My grandmother on my Mom's side, was addicted to Coca~Cola when she was a little girl. Took some doing to undo it as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola

Use of stimulants in formula

When launched Coca-Cola's two key ingredients were cocaine (benzoylmethyl ecgonine) and caffeine. The cocaine was derived from the coca leaf and the caffeine from kola nut, leading to the name Coca-Cola (the "K" in Kola was replaced with a "C" for marketing purposes).[24][25]
Coca — cocaine

Pemberton called for five ounces of coca leaf per gallon of syrup, a significant dose; in 1891, Candler claimed his formula (altered extensively from Pemberton's original) contained only a tenth of this amount. Coca-Cola did once contain an estimated nine milligrams of cocaine per glass, but in 1903 it was removed.[26] Coca-Cola still contains coca flavoring.

After 1904, instead of using fresh leaves, Coca-Cola started using "spent" leaves — the leftovers of the cocaine-extraction process with cocaine trace levels left over at a molecular level.[27] To this day, Coca-Cola uses as an ingredient a cocaine-free coca leaf extract prepared at a Stepan Company plant in Maywood, New Jersey.

In the United States, the Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant,[28] which it obtains mainly from Peru and, to a lesser extent, Bolivia. Besides producing the coca flavoring agent for Coca-Cola, the Stepan Company extracts cocaine from the coca leaves, which it sells to Mallinckrodt, a St. Louis, Missouri pharmaceutical manufacturer that is the only company in the United States licensed to purify cocaine for medicinal use.[29]
Kola nuts — caffeine

Kola nuts act as a flavoring and the source of caffeine in Coca-Cola. In Britain, for example, the ingredient label states "Flavourings (Including Caffeine)."[30] Kola nuts contain about 2 percent to 3.5 percent caffeine, are of bitter flavor and are commonly used in cola soft drinks. In 1911, the U.S. government initiated United States v. Forty Barrels and Twenty Kegs of Coca-Cola, hoping to force Coca-Cola to remove caffeine from its formula. The case was decided in favor of Coca-Cola. Subsequently, in 1912 the U.S. Pure Food and Drug Act was amended, adding caffeine to the list of "habit-forming" and "deleterious" substances which must be listed on a product's label.

Coca-Cola contains 46 mg of caffeine per 12 fluid ounces (12.9 mg per 100 ml).[31]

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:58 pm

Well I never! I've previously tried to look into this matter but just drew a rather hazy blank, so thanks for that.

I've chewed coca leaves peasant-style quite extensively (entirely legally, for the Meninblack observing). I would certainly not describe it's effect as narcotic. If anything it acts as a temporary appetite suppressant, much like simply smoking a cigarette.

So coca leaves are used in Coke, that's amazing. Wonder who gives the heavier dose man, Coke or Pepsi... lol.


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