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how can a illegitimate child be singaporean

Postby mativo » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 2:08 pm

hi,

Anyone know how can my child be a SC/PR if i not marriage to the child mother?
I am a Singaporean,mother of the child is from Vietnam..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 3:04 pm

If the child's parents are listed, e.g., you name is on the Birth Certificate, (whether you are/were married to the woman or not) and the child was born in Singapore, then the child is Singaporean by birth. Full Stop. If it's a boy, then the boy is liable for NS as well, just like any other citizen. If the birth was not registered in the mother's home country, then the child will not be allowed to stay there with the mother, should she split and leave the child with the father (It does happen).

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Postby mativo » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 3:08 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If the child's parents are listed, e.g., you name is on the Birth Certificate, (whether you are/were married to the woman or not) and the child was born in Singapore, then the child is Singaporean by birth. Full Stop. If it's a boy, then the boy is liable for NS as well, just like any other citizen. If the birth was not registered in the mother's home country, then the child will not be allowed to stay there with the mother, should she split and leave the child with the father (It does happen).


On the birth cert is register with my name and the child mother name.
BUT is born in Vietnam..holding a vietnam birth cert.
Like that how?

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Postby therat » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 3:35 pm

Some mth back, there is a news about a Child born in Singapore.
Father is Singaporean
Mother is Malysian.
Both not married.

Quote from MCYS "http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/07/mcys-responds-to-concerns-raised-about-foster-child/"

The mother is a Malaysian and the child was born out of wedlock. In accordance with the laws of Singapore, the child is not a Singapore citizen by birth. His citizenship status follows that of his mother’s. Upon the mother’s discharge from prison, both she and her child would have to return to Malaysia.


Base on the above, your child is not Singaporean.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 4:01 pm

therat, according to the article, it doesn't indicate whether the father was known or not. As no mention of the father was made, I have to assume that the father was not known in that particular case.

This case is different. The child might have been born out of wedlock, but that doesn't mean the child's father isn't known. I don't believe they have to be married to accept parentage of the child. Therefore, if the child's father is known at the time of birth and the name is registered by the father, then, the child would be Singaporean if born here. However, if born in Malaysia, then the child would naturally have the citizenship of the mother. This especially so if the child were a male.

If you will look at a copy of a Singapore Birth Certificate, you will note that it only asks for the mother's particulars and the father's particulars. It does not require a marriage license number or even a statement requiring a marriage certificate. The mother and the father need not be married to produce a baby. But if the father is known and registered as such. The child will be Singaporean at birth regardless of the mother's nationality.

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Postby mativo » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 4:05 pm

i more interested to know if my child born in vietnam, how can i make him a SC....
As we decided to let the child to be born in vietnam (cheaper).
And we not getting marriage in either country..

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Postby therat » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 4:54 pm

SMS, I found this from ICA

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=132&secid=130

Citizenship Application
Eligibility

The following categories of people are eligible to be considered for Singapore Citizenship:

Child born outside Singapore where at least one parent is a Singapore Citizen.

An overseas-born minor (child) may be eligible for Singapore Citizenship by Descent under Article 122(1) of the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore, if his/her parents meet any of the following conditions:

1. Male Singapore citizen by Birth who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth

2. Male Singapore citizen by Registration who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth and minor does not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

3. Female Singapore citizen by Birth and minor born on or after 15 May 2004

4. Female Singapore citizen by Registration and minor born on or after 15 May 2004. Minor shall not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

5. Male (who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth) or Female Singapore citizen by Descent has to declare their residence period in Singapore. The application can only be accepted if the parent fulfils the requirements stipulated in the Annex.

The application has to be submitted within one year of the child's birth. Otherwise, a letter of explanation and additional documents are required for the late submission.


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For TS, it is a straight NO for his new born to be Singaporean

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 4:56 pm

This is by Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporea ... nality_law

Citizenship by descent

A person born outside Singapore on or after 15 May 2004, with at least one parent who is a Singaporean citizen, is a Singaporean citizen by descent. If the parent from whom the child derives citizenship is a Singaporean citizen by descent, the parent must have been resident in Singapore for a total of at least four years before the child's birth or a total of at least one year out of the five years immediately preceding the child's birth.[4]

A person born outside Singapore before 15 May 2004 will be a Singaporean citizen by descent only if his or her father was a Singaporean citizen by birth or by registration at the time of birth.

In all cases, children of Singaporean citizens born overseas will be granted Singaporean citizenship by descent only if they do not acquire citizenship of the country of their birth.


Interesting part on the diplomatic immunity.

Citizenship by birth

A person is a Singaporean citizen by birth if he or she is born in Singapore with at least one parent who is a Singaporean citizen.

However, a child whose father is a foreign diplomat who enjoys immunity in Singapore will not be granted Singaporean citizenship even if his or her mother is Singaporean. The gender-specific language of this clause allows an unusual scenario where a child born in Singapore whose mother is a foreign diplomat and whose father is Singaporean will obtain Singaporean citizenship by birth but not if the gender roles are reversed.

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Postby mativo » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:03 pm

therat wrote:SMS, I found this from ICA

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=132&secid=130

Citizenship Application
Eligibility

The following categories of people are eligible to be considered for Singapore Citizenship:

Child born outside Singapore where at least one parent is a Singapore Citizen.

An overseas-born minor (child) may be eligible for Singapore Citizenship by Descent under Article 122(1) of the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore, if his/her parents meet any of the following conditions:

1. Male Singapore citizen by Birth who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth

2. Male Singapore citizen by Registration who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth and minor does not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

3. Female Singapore citizen by Birth and minor born on or after 15 May 2004

4. Female Singapore citizen by Registration and minor born on or after 15 May 2004. Minor shall not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

5. Male (who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth) or Female Singapore citizen by Descent has to declare their residence period in Singapore. The application can only be accepted if the parent fulfils the requirements stipulated in the Annex.

The application has to be submitted within one year of the child's birth. Otherwise, a letter of explanation and additional documents are required for the late submission.


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For TS, it is a straight NO for his new born to be Singaporean


Saw this before..but it dont not contain the answers i want...as mention in side.." lawful marriage"...
Which i not.

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Postby therat » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:11 pm

1. Male Singapore citizen by Birth who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth

2. Male Singapore citizen by Registration who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth and minor does not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country


TS,

It already written down black and white.
lawful marriage at time of minor's birth.
Since you and your wife are not lawfully marry at the time of your new born child's birth.

I thought it should be a straight answer.
You don't meet the requirement.

If you don't like what you had read.
May be pay a visit to Singapore embassy @ Vietnam or give ICA a call will be your best answer.

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Postby therat » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:14 pm



For this case, I think government link will be better instead of Wikipedia.

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:24 pm

therat wrote:


For this case, I think government link will be better instead of Wikipedia.

Probably yes :)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:33 pm

therat wrote:SMS, I found this from ICA

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=132&secid=130

Citizenship Application
Eligibility

The following categories of people are eligible to be considered for Singapore Citizenship:

Child born outside Singapore where at least one parent is a Singapore Citizen.

An overseas-born minor (child) may be eligible for Singapore Citizenship by Descent under Article 122(1) of the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore, if his/her parents meet any of the following conditions:

1. Male Singapore citizen by Birth who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth

2. Male Singapore citizen by Registration who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth and minor does not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

3. Female Singapore citizen by Birth and minor born on or after 15 May 2004

4. Female Singapore citizen by Registration and minor born on or after 15 May 2004. Minor shall not acquire citizenship of the country he was born by reason of his birth in that country

5. Male (who has a lawful marriage at time of minor's birth) or Female Singapore citizen by Descent has to declare their residence period in Singapore. The application can only be accepted if the parent fulfils the requirements stipulated in the Annex.

The application has to be submitted within one year of the child's birth. Otherwise, a letter of explanation and additional documents are required for the late submission.


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For TS, it is a straight NO for his new born to be Singaporean


For the record, now that the OP has clarified that the child was NOT born in Singapore, you are correct. However, in your earlier post, you missed a very important codicil (bolded) All those examples are for a child born abroad. The initial post did not indicate this, as we assumed that the child was born here. Had that actually been true, my answer would still stand.

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Postby mativo » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:36 pm

sigh...so my child got no chance to be a SC if i dont get marriage with the mother right....?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 5:43 pm

That's about the size of it.


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