London riots

Tigerslayer · Post by **Tigerslayer** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 9:58 pm

Just finished listening to a radio clip of two girls explaining the how the rioting and looting is just to show 'the rich people we can do what we want'.

WTF?!

Its embarrassing just how misguided these 'yoofs' are...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

They can't even speak coherently... How did it come to this??

raden888 · Post by **raden888** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:28 pm

ecureilx wrote:

Somewhere in the Human Rights law, it states, ID Card means you loose your right to privacy ..

Hmm, well you would worry about if you're doing something wrong then you want the info' to be private.

They can make the ID free, isn't it free in SG?

Tigerslayer wrote:

They can't even speak coherently... How did it come to this?

That's the problem, they seem to have issues with the rich.They live in the UK, if they actually went to school and got an education they too at some point can be relatively well off ,however, they seem to want it instantly. Gimme, gimme, gimme!

They all seemed to be looting Teles' and video games consoles.I bet the bookstores were safe!

aster · Post by **aster** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 3:23 am

Time to crack down on the gimme gimme tribe. Bring out the rubber bullets.

longstebe · Post by **longstebe** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 9:25 am

Tigerslayer wrote:Just finished listening to a radio clip of two girls explaining the how the rioting and looting is just to show 'the rich people we can do what we want'.

WTF?!

Its embarrassing just how misguided these 'yoofs' are...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

They can't even speak coherently... How did it come to this??

Terrible, also the girl in Birmingham saying the police don't show them respect so this is what they get in return.

ScoobyDoes · Post by **ScoobyDoes** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:38 am

Where's Maggie when you need her.......?

She had the balls to take action.

The riots over the Poll Tax and Miner's Strikes were more bitter and less opportunistic than what we've seen this week but the police were out in throngs in those years.

Water Canon, Horse Charges, Batons...... the works basically, and they weren't too scared about being seen to 'target a minority' as they just went after the crowd. If the crowd happened to be made up mostly of what was termed 'a minority' then that was just the construction of the crowd.

We hated Maggie at the time but maybe she was just 30-yrs ahead of her time. Having said that........ she was perfect for taking control of the Falkland's War.

ksl · Post by **ksl** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 1:09 pm

All foreigners that are holding British passports should be stripped of their rights and shipped to Australia

Only joking! Make it Somalia. Though I can imagine it's not only the ethinics.

The mentality in my own home area, would be just as silly cops are fair game and are not feared at all.

The estate i was raised on was a no go area for police for over 20 years, for fear they would be injured...

3 years in Afghanistan on foot patrol would be nice!

ecureilx · Post by **ecureilx** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 1:11 pm

ksl wrote:All foreigners that are holding British passports should be stripped of their rights and shipped to Australia

Last I head, UK is sending a lot of money to Somalia and sees no ROI

The Wild Africa maybe a better choice ..

I was gonna say "All non citizens, and those on Benefits .. "

Tigerslayer · Post by **Tigerslayer** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 1:48 pm

This is something that has been completely undervalued in controlling the riots... Bullies are more often than not complete cowards:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14485130

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 3:15 pm

What will happen to the convicted rioters

'Read this and weep:

--- Now, just what will these consequences be you may ask? Well, for those over eighteen whatever custodial sentences they do receive, if any, they will no doubt serve just a fraction of their sentences as is common for most criminals in the UK. However, in what will clearly be a perversion of justice, those rioters under eighteen will be treated as if they too are the victims of the very crimes they have commited, as this is the ethos at the heart of the youth justice system.

I know this from having worked alongside and in the Youth Offending Service. Within a few weeks many of these rioters that you are now watching loot, burn and terrorise on a twenty four news channel will be on an Intensive Surveillance and Supervision Programme, where they will spend the majority of their ’sentence’ being escorted to gyms, adventure centres, DJ courses and having their lunches bought and paid for and they will even be given the bus fares to attend their ‘punishment’. There will be a minimum of community work as part of their ISSP and in some parts of the country the Youth Offending Service will fail to implement this part of the ISSP. I know this will occur because I have seen it first hand.

Another part of their ISSP will involve them sitting in on classroom based sessions where staff will ask them what feelings they were experiencing prior to setting their community alight and how best they could channel those feelings in the future. We may even get them to do some ‘poster work’, as I have heard it referred to, where they will draw and colour in examples of criminal behaviour just in case they were not aware that torching local businesses and throwing masonry at the police, fire brigade and passers by were indeed criminal acts. When this is the system charged with preventing youth crime is at any wonder we have such high rates of recidivism amongst the more serious of young criminals? Many of the rioters you see on the streets will have been through this sytem. They know there are no real consequences for their actions and thus they behave in the manner we are now viewing. ---

And while you’re feeling depressed consider these responses from our two of our broadcast media. Here’s one, as reported by a blogs commenter Michael Arch, from Sky News which I think puts neatly into context all that recent silly fuss about Murdoch’s plan to create a British Fox News. (Boy after this do we need one): (H/T for link 4d2b)

--- Funniest interview ever on Sky. Female Sky reporter interviewing a white guy who has had his shops burned. He said to her , the arsonists/looters were all black. She said to him , you can’t say that , there must have been white guys there as well. He thought about and then said , ok they were not all black , i was the only white guy there. Is that ok to say ?

This guy states this with a totally dead pan face without a hint of the pc faux pas.

She again corrects him and states nervously you just cant say they were all black , he responds , but they were i was there.

Unbelievable. The interview describes the state of our society in a nut shell. ---

And the second is an aside from the excellent Inspector Gadget blog which suggests – not unreasonably – that the BBC bears some responsibility for fanning the flames of these riots.

The IPCC have announced two things. First, Duggan’s firearm was a firearm and thus illegal and deadly. Second, he didn’t fire it, and the initial report by the IPCC that he fired at police was wrong. The BBC have headlined the second fact without the first. Particularly dangerous in the circumstances, especially from a public service broadcaster.

I think we can most of us agree that things need to change round here. A lot of things. And fast.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... d-rioters/

richie303 · Post by **richie303** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 1:39 pm

The whole situation is dreadful. All the scumbags that were involved should be hung, drawn and quartered.

I blame the wishy-washy UK government and their inability to do anything with fear of upsetting a few flip flop wearing lefties in Europe.

BillyB · Post by **BillyB** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 2:38 pm

JR8 wrote:What will happen to the convicted rioters

'Read this and weep:

--- Now, just what will these consequences be you may ask? Well, for those over eighteen whatever custodial sentences they do receive, if any, they will no doubt serve just a fraction of their sentences as is common for most criminals in the UK. However, in what will clearly be a perversion of justice, those rioters under eighteen will be treated as if they too are the victims of the very crimes they have commited, as this is the ethos at the heart of the youth justice system.

I know this from having worked alongside and in the Youth Offending Service. Within a few weeks many of these rioters that you are now watching loot, burn and terrorise on a twenty four news channel will be on an Intensive Surveillance and Supervision Programme, where they will spend the majority of their ’sentence’ being escorted to gyms, adventure centres, DJ courses and having their lunches bought and paid for and they will even be given the bus fares to attend their ‘punishment’. There will be a minimum of community work as part of their ISSP and in some parts of the country the Youth Offending Service will fail to implement this part of the ISSP. I know this will occur because I have seen it first hand.

Another part of their ISSP will involve them sitting in on classroom based sessions where staff will ask them what feelings they were experiencing prior to setting their community alight and how best they could channel those feelings in the future. We may even get them to do some ‘poster work’, as I have heard it referred to, where they will draw and colour in examples of criminal behaviour just in case they were not aware that torching local businesses and throwing masonry at the police, fire brigade and passers by were indeed criminal acts. When this is the system charged with preventing youth crime is at any wonder we have such high rates of recidivism amongst the more serious of young criminals? Many of the rioters you see on the streets will have been through this sytem. They know there are no real consequences for their actions and thus they behave in the manner we are now viewing. ---

And while you’re feeling depressed consider these responses from our two of our broadcast media. Here’s one, as reported by a blogs commenter Michael Arch, from Sky News which I think puts neatly into context all that recent silly fuss about Murdoch’s plan to create a British Fox News. (Boy after this do we need one): (H/T for link 4d2b)

--- Funniest interview ever on Sky. Female Sky reporter interviewing a white guy who has had his shops burned. He said to her , the arsonists/looters were all black. She said to him , you can’t say that , there must have been white guys there as well. He thought about and then said , ok they were not all black , i was the only white guy there. Is that ok to say ?

This guy states this with a totally dead pan face without a hint of the pc faux pas.

She again corrects him and states nervously you just cant say they were all black , he responds , but they were i was there.

Unbelievable. The interview describes the state of our society in a nut shell. ---

And the second is an aside from the excellent Inspector Gadget blog which suggests – not unreasonably – that the BBC bears some responsibility for fanning the flames of these riots.

The IPCC have announced two things. First, Duggan’s firearm was a firearm and thus illegal and deadly. Second, he didn’t fire it, and the initial report by the IPCC that he fired at police was wrong. The BBC have headlined the second fact without the first. Particularly dangerous in the circumstances, especially from a public service broadcaster.

I think we can most of us agree that things need to change round here. A lot of things. And fast.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... d-rioters/

Two interesting and, in my opinion, quite contrasting pieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fms_IFgRRU

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16048206

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 5:23 pm

Can't view those vids right now.

Each night down at the beach-side kopitiam the riots seem to be getting solid coverage on the evening news. And the locals are watching it intently.

It's embarrassing!

BillyB · Post by **BillyB** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 5:30 pm

JR8 wrote:Can't view those vids right now.

Each night down at the beach-side kopitiam the riots seem to be getting solid coverage on the evening news. And the locals are watching it intently.

It's embarrassing!

Put 50 cents in the slot you tight tw*t!!

The UK is a shambles and I think it's showing people who are unaware that the Country is far from the bed of roses you see on postcards.

During conversations, Taxi drivers here for example seem really surprised about all the trouble, and thought it was a really calm, and pleasant place to live with hardly any trouble!!

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 5:56 pm

BillyB wrote:
JR8 wrote:Can't view those vids right now.

Each night down at the beach-side kopitiam the riots seem to be getting solid coverage on the evening news. And the locals are watching it intently.

It's embarrassing!
Put 50 cents in the slot you tight tw*t!!

The UK is a shambles and I think it's showing people who are unaware that the Country is far from the bed of roses you see on postcards.

During conversations, Taxi drivers here for example seem really surprised about all the trouble, and thought it was a really calm, and pleasant place to live with hardly any trouble!!

Better make it 50 Sen eh Bunter, as the meter will only spit euros back out.

The sad thing is that the UK needs root and branch social (etc) reform but there are no politicians with the mandate or guts to drive it through.

'Cast iron' Cameron is a wet who U-turns on seemingly everything. What a shame.

aster · Post by **aster** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 5:58 pm

JR8 wrote: --- Funniest interview ever on Sky. Female Sky reporter interviewing a white guy who has had his shops burned. He said to her , the arsonists/looters were all black. She said to him , you can’t say that , there must have been white guys there as well. He thought about and then said , ok they were not all black , i was the only white guy there. Is that ok to say ?

This guy states this with a totally dead pan face without a hint of the pc faux pas.

She again corrects him and states nervously you just cant say they were all black , he responds , but they were i was there.

Unbelievable. The interview describes the state of our society in a nut shell. ---

Did this really go live?

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