London riots

[sundaymorningstaple]

I'm surprised that ecureilx miss that one! It was soooo obvious.

[ecureilx]

I'm surprised that ecureilx miss that one! It was soooo obvious.

I am a bit peeved associating British with Baseball

Should be the "Cricket, played with a straight bat and a round ball" thingy ..

(Trivia: above was quoted by a Sri Lankan cricketer who was protesting the unfair awarding of points to teams that refused to play in Zimbabwe, during a WC, but those who played and lost standed to loose compared to those who abstained and were awarded half points for the non-playing teams .. the SL captain said, "in protest, we play, with a straight bat and a round bat .. " English game eh ?? )

[ScoobyDoes]

3 a count of three dead now, 1 shot on Sunday in Croydon has died and two were killed in a hit and run last night in Birmingham.

Amongst the millions of pounds worth of damage this is by far the worst thing, for 3 people (seemingly innocent?) to lose their lives!

If we were completely fair about it, they might have died anyway. The fact that somebody died whilst the riots are taking place doesn't discount the fact that somebody was going to die anyway....... these are rough areas after all.

[BillyB]

Makes you proud to be British doesn't it.........

I bet all those Foreigners who bought tickets to the Olympics, or have booked summer holidays, can't wait to arrive!!

On the flip side, maybe flight prices will come down and Tottenham will have to sell Modric after all......

[aster]

Met police has been a farce over the last couple of days. You don't just go out and stand there, getting pelted like it's target practise and one gigantic party for the rioters. What this has done is encouraged idiots all around the country to go out and rage in this lawless climate of inaction.

They should have stepped in strongly and violently. They should have surrounded the scum, closed in on all sides, and rounded up the lot without holding back on pounding the living daylights out of them. Several dozen arrests, all fingerprinted and dna samples taken, convicted and locked up or in the worst case tagged for several years.

Oh, and has met police ever heard of rubber bullets?

[BillyB]

Met police has been a farce over the last couple of days. You don't just go out and stand there, getting pelted like it's target practise and one gigantic party for the rioters. What this has done is encouraged idiots all around the country to go out and rage in this lawless climate of inaction.

They should have stepped in strongly and violently. They should have surrounded the scum, closed in on all sides, and rounded up the lot without holding back on pounding the living daylights out of them. Several dozen arrests, all fingerprinted and dna samples taken, convicted and locked up or in the worst case tagged for several years.

Oh, and has met police ever heard of rubber bullets?

The problem is we are so concerned with H&S it detracts away from the Police doing their job. I'd just get the tear gas slung in to the mix and pelt the little f*ckers with paintballs and rubber bullets!!

[boffenl]

Met police has been a farce over the last couple of days. You don't just go out and stand there, getting pelted like it's target practise and one gigantic party for the rioters. What this has done is encouraged idiots all around the country to go out and rage in this lawless climate of inaction.

They should have stepped in strongly and violently. They should have surrounded the scum, closed in on all sides, and rounded up the lot without holding back on pounding the living daylights out of them. Several dozen arrests, all fingerprinted and dna samples taken, convicted and locked up or in the worst case tagged for several years.

Oh, and has met police ever heard of rubber bullets?

Um, they were all on vacation. Just like the helicopter pilots in Norway. UK gov't recalled over 5,000 "cops" to get back on the job.

[ScoobyDoes]

They should have stepped in strongly and violently. They should have surrounded the scum, closed in on all sides, and rounded up the lot without holding back on pounding the living daylights out of them. Several dozen arrests, all fingerprinted and dna samples taken, convicted and locked up or in the worst case tagged for several years.

Technically that was what got them in the trouble in the first place..... stepping up strongly against somebody they thought to be a criminal, ending up in his death.

I still would have preferred the ID Card idea to be pushed through at the expense of 'privacy' and 'civil liberty' groups....... those times have past.

[raden888]

I still would have preferred the ID Card idea to be pushed through at the expense of 'privacy' and 'civil liberty' groups.

I really don't understand the big deal with ID cards.

Just shows ,a civil society can turn uncivilised in matter of minutes.

[ecureilx]

Technically that was what got them in the trouble in the first place..... stepping up strongly against somebody they thought to be a criminal, ending up in his death.

sorry to wade in .. but .. "THOUGHT TO BE CRIMINAL ???" I been reading that he WAS A CRIMINAL, but in the civilised world, he couldn't be called as one, unless convicted in a Court of Law, and then upon expiry of his term, he reverts back to 'non-criminal' status and continues what he was doing before the jail ??? yeah ??:D

Beats me ..

Sorry, I grew up with a bit of caning by our School Principal, a Reverend .. and I believe that's what deters me subconsciously, from going 'overboard'

[x9200]

There are 11 y old kids in the crowd. Criminals or not, imagine what would happened next if a kid like this got killed.
Besides, what I read somewhere, there was no precedence of using rubber bullets in the UK except of the regular street fight in Norther Ireland. It is not so comfortable for the police to admit the things got that bad and that far.

[ecureilx]

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Somewhere in the Human Rights law, it states, ID Card means you loose your right to privacy ..

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While British police are threatening to 'use' rubber bullets, a little bird told me that British arms industry are at the forefront of the 'non-lethal' crown control weapons, like water cannons, rubber bullets, tear gas .. of course, those are only for export, not for use on citizens, regardless how violent they may be ..

[JR8]

I still would have preferred the ID Card idea to be pushed through at the expense of 'privacy' and 'civil liberty' groups....... those times have past.

ID cards would have changed nothing. Did it quell the French riots a few years ago, or the Athens riots a few months ago? No.

These scum would either not have them, or not carry them. What then, the police lock up thousands of people overnight while they try to figure out who they are (many are probably record-less illegals anyway?) No they don't have the capacity.

ID cards would just be a burden on the law-abiding. You'd be forcing me to pay GBP80 to get a card, just because some scumbag in Tottenham is out looting. As is so often the end result of this kind of 'well meaning' legislation it would fix nothing.

[Balnald]

There are 11 y old kids in the crowd. Criminals or not, imagine what would happened next if a kid like this got killed.
Besides, what I read somewhere, there was no precedence of using rubber bullets in the UK except of the regular street fight in Norther Ireland. It is not so comfortable for the police to admit the things got that bad and that far.

Kids should not be there neither should anyone else, if they get hurt then the parents are to blame....... Lootlers should be locked up for a very long time... unfortunatley Brisitsh justice will see to it that half a dozen coppers are fired and the criminal thugs will be sent to the Lake districs on some ridiculous retreat to "find themselves"

Also we should immediatley withdraw from the EHRC.. and bring back the cane....

[imogenben]

i thought that the riots would be confined to the usual towns... not really expecting to see Clapham high street in the Business Times today...