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Postby Brah » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 9:18 pm

Wow, the new Mod is not afraid to step up and lay it down!

nakatago wrote:Ok, that's it.

I'm not letting this degenerate into another Singaporeans vs. the world debacle all over again. Deviating is fun but it's not when it's back to "us vs them."

Now, go back to playing nice or I will take the ball.

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Postby sensei_ » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:20 am

i think i shall keep my comments to myself, it seems that i am creating some kind of stir. noticeable in both this thread and the cocky maid thread.

to those involved, i mean no harm, just airing my A$0.02. im here to share and learn more about life in singapore, not create controversial comments :D

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 1:02 am

sensei_, no worries, mate! We just tend to give as good as we get. The board is pretty free-wheeling except when it comes to advertising, soliciting, racism, foul language and trolls. We all like to jump into the middle of it on occasions. Sometimes, though, there are a few topics that are naturally re-occurring and unfortunately for Nakatago, will recur again and again. I usually let them go until it gets personal then shut it down. This one has not yet descended into the mire as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, no need to refrain from having a valid opinion. Some of your thoughts are obviously inherited and the other, we'll peck away at 'em. ;-)

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Postby Brah » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 8:26 am

If it weren't controversial, it wouldn't be very interesting

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 8:35 am

Controversial is one thing; vitriolic is another.

Or...knocking on your neighbor's door to ask him to tone it down is one thing but for your first action would be to call the cops is another (and I've been told the cops hate getting calls like that but they have to entertain them anyway).

Do carry on now, though.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 9:10 am

nakatago wrote:Controversial is one thing; vitriolic is another.

Or...knocking on your neighbor's door to ask him to tone it down is one thing but for your first action would be to call the cops is another (and I've been told the cops hate getting calls like that but they have to entertain them anyway).

Do carry on now, though.


As a member of the resident's committee in our estate, I go on evening walkabouts regularly with the local constabulary. While those calls are an annoyance, the police do them regularly as it is also a good way to get pr with the residents instead of the residents just observing the patrol car in the parking lot. It has a lot of value as they know they won't be dismissed out of hand. Every case is different and who knows if it can/will escalate if no minor intervention is there.

I personally know of an instance where loud noises caused a complainer who approached the source of the noise to ask them to tone it down and was subsequently jumps by half a dozen men later in the evening. So, sometimes, in this passive-aggressive country, it is best to let the police act as the intermediaries. ;-)

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:22 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
nakatago wrote:Controversial is one thing; vitriolic is another.

Or...knocking on your neighbor's door to ask him to tone it down is one thing but for your first action would be to call the cops is another (and I've been told the cops hate getting calls like that but they have to entertain them anyway).

Do carry on now, though.


As a member of the resident's committee in our estate, I go on evening walkabouts regularly with the local constabulary. While those calls are an annoyance, the police do them regularly as it is also a good way to get pr with the residents instead of the residents just observing the patrol car in the parking lot. It has a lot of value as they know they won't be dismissed out of hand. Every case is different and who knows if it can/will escalate if no minor intervention is there.

I personally know of an instance where loud noises caused a complainer who approached the source of the noise to ask them to tone it down and was subsequently jumps by half a dozen men later in the evening. So, sometimes, in this passive-aggressive country, it is best to let the police act as the intermediaries. ;-)


You said it yourself...every case is different...sometimes... It's just a matter of judgement and prudence; of which, a lot of people seem to lack--certain politicians included.

Then again, I am preaching to the choir here, am I not?

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I personally know of an instance where loud noises caused a complainer who approached the source of the noise to ask them to tone it down and was subsequently jumps by half a dozen men later in the evening. So, sometimes, in this passive-aggressive country, it is best to let the police act as the intermediaries. ;-)



The other issue for expats and those on permits of any sort is the niggle at the back of one's mind that if things get out of control a little, go t!ts up as it were, there is concerns about whether an Employment Pass / Work Pass can be renewed.

I know it's remote but if things do end up going too far during a face-to-face-to-baseball-bat then we have the 14-Days to shut up and ship out.

On that basis, if somebody can intervene and fight your battle for you..... maybe safer.
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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:33 am

ScoobyDoes wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:I personally know of an instance where loud noises caused a complainer who approached the source of the noise to ask them to tone it down and was subsequently jumps by half a dozen men later in the evening. So, sometimes, in this passive-aggressive country, it is best to let the police act as the intermediaries. ;-)



The other issue for expats and those on permits of any sort is the niggle at the back of one's mind that if things get out of control a little, go t!ts up as it were, there is concerns about whether an Employment Pass / Work Pass can be renewed.

I know it's remote but if things do end up going too far during a face-to-face-to-baseball-bat then we have the 14-Days to shut up and ship out.

On that basis, if somebody can intervene and fight your battle for you..... maybe safer.


This is one end of the extreme, I think. I'm referring to those "in the middle" types.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:24 pm

Problem is, what one thinks is an in the middle one, the other thinks is a total affront to the entire race and demands retribution..... :shooting:

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 1:19 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:the other thinks is a total affront to the entire race and demands retribution..... :shooting:


Well, that's just sad that some people are overly sensitive and cannot even engage in healthy dialogue. How many times have we seen that here?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 2:32 pm

Depends on who is in the discussion don't it. :devil:

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 2:36 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Depends on who is in the discussion don't it. :devil:


Just off the top of my head, BMW guy and some guy with metro in his nick, and two others who haven't posted in a long while. :devil:

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Postby Tigerslayer » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27 pm

Interesting to hear today that the issue actually happened some 6-7 years ago. In addition the mediator was not party to the arrangement.

I think the press has stoked some of this up a fair bit from the sound of it.

I remember reading threads on this forum about landlords who do not allow PRC/Indian tenants, or ban the use of the kitchen purely for the scent of the cooking.

While this is obviously a bit different it goes to show the sentiment is not localized to this incident.

Regardless I am still looking forward to my home cooked curry this weekend

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:56 pm

Tigerslayer,

The rights of the landlord have to be adhered to. The ban on cooking by lots of LL's against indians is a valid one. I don't know how familiar you are with indian cooking, but if a home has lots of wood in it, the only way to rid the unit of the aroma is by ripping everything out and completely renovating the unit. This especially so if the previous tenants used a lot of ghee in their cooking. The ghee laden smoke tends to coat everything with a greasy finish just like a wok tends to do, but the ghee then turns rancid as well as the heavy aromatic spices as well.

The two trends are completely different. One doesn't like the smell of cooking curry but are just neighbours. The other is the financial costs to a property owner getting rid of the lingering aroma that has permeated the woodwork. They might not even mind, but it make the unit harder to rent to the next tenant.....


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