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Postby sensei_ » Sun, 14 Aug 2011 4:45 pm

what i dont understand is, if you cannot integrate with the locals in the new land, why are you here in the first place?

not aiming this at anyone in particular, but migrating to a new country is a challenge. you have to accept many things, such as people, culture, etc.

things will never be the same as back home, but hey, you are now in "rome and do as the romans do".

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Postby Splatted » Sun, 14 Aug 2011 4:51 pm

sensei_ wrote:what i dont understand is, if you cannot integrate with the locals in the new land, why are you here in the first place?

not aiming this at anyone in particular, but migrating to a new country is a challenge. you have to accept many things, such as people, culture, etc.

things will never be the same as back home, but hey, you are now in "rome and do as the romans do".


Things are sometimes worse at home.

Having lived in housing commission flats (high density housing), neighbours will often resort to loud music, broom stick bashing at the ceiling etc.

For years I endured what I thought was someone's 'backyard' sewing business as I could hear the sounds throughout the night.... only to find out years later it was an illegal meth lab in someone's flat running a tableting machine.

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Postby nakatago » Sun, 14 Aug 2011 4:58 pm

sensei_ wrote:what i dont understand is, if you cannot integrate with the locals in the new land, why are you here in the first place?

not aiming this at anyone in particular, but migrating to a new country is a challenge. you have to accept many things, such as people, culture, etc.

things will never be the same as back home, but hey, you are now in "rome and do as the romans do".


Tell that to the immigrants who tell the ones here first what not to do and the politicians who coddle them.

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 14 Aug 2011 5:46 pm

sensei_ wrote:... migrating to a new country is a challenge. you have to accept many things, such as people, culture, etc.


I do not agree that you have to accept things that you do not like.

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Postby prkravi » Sun, 14 Aug 2011 5:51 pm

Pretty bad considering the fact that we have to put up with all the Paper Burning that's happening Right now...

What are the charges?
1) Air Pollution.
2) Littering.
3) Anti Environment / Anti Green?

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Postby sensei_ » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 8:14 am

Splatted wrote:Things are sometimes worse at home.

Having lived in housing commission flats (high density housing), neighbours will often resort to loud music, broom stick bashing at the ceiling etc.

For years I endured what I thought was someone's 'backyard' sewing business as I could hear the sounds throughout the night.... only to find out years later it was an illegal meth lab in someone's flat running a tableting machine.


:shock: :shock: i would hate to be in a place like that, because you never know when the cocktail of chemicals is going to go "bang!", naturally, we migrate to seek out a better life, as the perception of the grass being greener on the other side. what people fail to ask is, is it actually greener?

nakatago wrote:Tell that to the immigrants who tell the ones here first what not to do and the politicians who coddle them.

i agree. can someone tell the pollies (politicians) to grow a pair and step up against the migrants who fail to integrate into their new land.

JR8 wrote:I do not agree that you have to accept things that you do not like.

then you my friend are more then welcome to go back to where you came from! :D. because you are only going to make your and our lives miserable. as humans we only handle so much until we snap, and once we snap, it can get very ugly. dont believe me? look at the UK riots. it was a pot of simmering stew/curry waiting to boil over.

if you dont like something, as a foreigner, you have no say. its not your country, the locals dont have to listen to you.

its a harsh reality mate!

prkravi wrote:Pretty bad considering the fact that we have to put up with all the Paper Burning that's happening Right now...

What are the charges?
1) Air Pollution.
2) Littering.
3) Anti Environment / Anti Green?


all that paper burning annoys me too! like i said earlier, not an awful lot we can do since it is the hungry ghost month (i believe!), and there are people out there who believe in such things.

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 8:56 am

sensei_ wrote:
JR8 wrote:I do not agree that you have to accept things that you do not like.

then you my friend are more then welcome to go back to where you came from! :D. because you are only going to make your and our lives miserable. as humans we only handle so much until we snap, and once we snap, it can get very ugly. dont believe me? look at the UK riots. it was a pot of simmering stew/curry waiting to boil over.

if you dont like something, as a foreigner, you have no say. its not your country, the locals dont have to listen to you.

its a harsh reality mate!.


Funny thing; JR8 doesn't live in Singapore. At all.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 9:39 am

nakatago wrote:
sensei_ wrote:
JR8 wrote:I do not agree that you have to accept things that you do not like.

then you my friend are more then welcome to go back to where you came from! :D. because you are only going to make your and our lives miserable. as humans we only handle so much until we snap, and once we snap, it can get very ugly. dont believe me? look at the UK riots. it was a pot of simmering stew/curry waiting to boil over.

if you dont like something, as a foreigner, you have no say. its not your country, the locals dont have to listen to you.

its a harsh reality mate!.


Funny thing; JR8 doesn't live in Singapore. At all.


It would seem that sensei_ is blessed with the ability to go off half-cocked without doing any research first. He fits in real well on this little red dot.

It would seem that he is a true blue Singaporean but has gone to Aus to try to get a more rounded education. So far it doesn't appear to be working all that well, as he still seems to have a typically 'local' viewpoint. Wonder, though, if he'll return to do his NS? :wink:

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Postby sensei_ » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 9:57 am

nakatago wrote: Funny thing; JR8 doesn't live in Singapore. At all.


in that case, i better go back to studying geography again. its been awhile since i last took the subject.

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It would seem that sensei_ is blessed with the ability to go off half-cocked without doing any research first. He fits in real well on this little red dot.

It would seem that he is a true blue Singaporean but has gone to Aus to try to get a more rounded education. So far it doesn't appear to be working all that well, as he still seems to have a typically 'local' viewpoint. Wonder, though, if he'll return to do his NS? :wink:


I was blessed to work in the little red dot, i believe i adopted the culture relatively well.

if its any news, im born to singporean parents, maybe thats rubbed off on me instead. and no no need to return zho NS because my passport says im born in perth :p

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Postby JayCee » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:10 am

sensei_ wrote:if its any news, im born to singporean parents, maybe thats rubbed off on me instead. and no no need to return zho NS because my passport says im born in perth :p


That means nothing, if your parents are Singaporean then to the government you are too and must do NS regardless of where you were born. Of course, if the governemt doesn't know about you then that's different, is your passport Aussie or SG?
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Postby sensei_ » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:35 am

JayCee wrote:That means nothing, if your parents are Singaporean then to the government you are too and must do NS regardless of where you were born. Of course, if the governemt doesn't know about you then that's different, is your passport Aussie or SG?


thats news to me! can you show me where it says so on the ICA website? my passport is aussie. ive been under the impression that only if i decide to take up pink IC (PR) that is when im liable for NS.

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:40 am

Ok, that's it.

I'm not letting this degenerate into another Singaporeans vs. the world debacle all over again. Deviating is fun but it's not when it's back to "us vs them."

Now, go back to playing nice or I will take the ball.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 1:25 pm

sensei_ you have mail.....

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Postby sensei_ » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 1:36 pm

cheers mate, mail replied.

for those who are curious, im a born and bred aussie, just with an ethnic background. so to clear any doubts about my NS obligations, i have none what so ever.

it will be a different story if i was at one stage singaporean.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 15 Aug 2011 6:09 pm

sensei_ wrote:
JR8 wrote:]I do not agree that you have to accept things that you do not like.


then you my friend are more then welcome to go back to where you came from! :D.

I have made the point before, what if you have no choice but to be in a certain country (any country) against your will? It is well and good suggesting that you leave, but that is not an option. Not everyone has total volition over where they live at any point of time. So what of them, are they only allowed to express positive opinions about their host country?


because you are only going to make your and our lives miserable. as humans we only handle so much until we snap, and once we snap, it can get very ugly. dont believe me? look at the UK riots. it was a pot of simmering stew/curry waiting to boil over.

I think the UK riots were more about opportunistic looting in the face of the toothless police, rather than misery caused by living in the UK.

I'll give you a real life example that I have witnessed. A SGn relocated by the government to Europe. Shortly after arrival he had a nervous breakdown and wanted to leave, he found the new location that challenging. But to leave would have meant career-death, so he stayed. He battled for years, and having met him I would say there was no doubt he was suffering depression. Did he express negative opinions? Of course. Were they valid opinions, yes I believe so.


if you dont like something, as a foreigner, you have no say. its not your country, the locals dont have to listen to you.
its a harsh reality mate!

I think this is where we will have to agree to disagree :) You are a foreigner and yet you are expressing opinions (albeit positive ones I think). I don't think anyone else's opinions are any less valid or 'permitted'.

Anyway, if it not clear I am in no way picking a fight, merely considering the question of the validity of a foreigner's opinions in a foreign country. Vive la difference eh? :-)#

p.s. Nak. When I consider our family's circumstances, and where we will be in future, strange as it might sound to you SG is the most permanent home I'm likely to have for the foreseeable years. I suppose that's why I sometimes write as if I'm still in-country despite currently not being so.



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