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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby leomarie » Fri, 08 Apr 2016 10:56 pm

Hi all!
Good evening, I would just like to know if what i am going to do about my situation. - Last October 2015 I was deported in sg to Philippines due to my frequent visit to sg. so after that I went back to Philipphines and almost every after 2 weeks I travel to brunei,Malaysia and Indonesia until now.so what happened last February of this year 2016 - I went to Malaysia and I had flight back to Manila by tiger airways and its connecting from KLIA to changi to Manila - so when i reached to changi airport I went to the information and ask for an assistance about my luggage if how can I get it because i had to catch a flight again back to Manila and they pointed the tiger airways help desk, i went there and told them that I need some help to get my luggage and they told me I need to go through immigration. i had no idea at all. so i went through the immigration and before giving my passport I spoke to the officer first about my concern - I told him that I don't want to go out and go through here I just need someone to get luggage outside because I have a flight back to Manila. But he get my passport and bring it to the office and ask me to follow and they deport me again which was not supposed to happened. so now I am having a 2 record of deportation October 2015 and February 2016. What should I do?
Thank you for you help.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby taxico » Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:57 pm

to save yourself some grief, there's nothing you can do.

next time, learn not to short-check your bags.

make sure your luggage is checked all the way through to the destination after Changi.

check your conditions of carriage before booking a flight if you're not sure if the airline(s) can do so.

you are free to write in to ICA of course... but i don't think you'll get the result you want.
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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby leomarie » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 4:26 am

Thank you taxico! Such a big help. Really appreciate it.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby x9200 » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 6:53 am

leomarie wrote:Hi all!
Good evening, I would just like to know if what i am going to do about my situation. - Last October 2015 I was deported in sg to Philippines due to my frequent visit to sg. so after that I went back to Philipphines and almost every after 2 weeks I travel to brunei,Malaysia and Indonesia until now.so what happened last February of this year 2016 - I went to Malaysia and I had flight back to Manila by tiger airways and its connecting from KLIA to changi to Manila - so when i reached to changi airport I went to the information and ask for an assistance about my luggage if how can I get it because i had to catch a flight again back to Manila and they pointed the tiger airways help desk, i went there and told them that I need some help to get my luggage and they told me I need to go through immigration. i had no idea at all. so i went through the immigration and before giving my passport I spoke to the officer first about my concern - I told him that I don't want to go out and go through here I just need someone to get luggage outside because I have a flight back to Manila. But he get my passport and bring it to the office and ask me to follow and they deport me again which was not supposed to happened. so now I am having a 2 record of deportation October 2015 and February 2016. What should I do?
Thank you for you help.

God bless everyone.

You should not assume ICA are idiots. Look, you are a frequent traveler, you knew you had to pick-up your luggage but you didn't know you have to clear the immigration? How many international flights have you seen or heard about where you need to pick up personally your luggage and not clear the immigration? I am pretty sure ICA saw it as an attempt to enter the country, so now, if I were you, I would be very careful and do my best not let the situation repeat again. IMO, wait at least one year before any other attempt to enter Singapore and try to contact ICA before doing it. They will unlikely tell you anything solid, but at least there will be some evidence you tried to do it right.

Besides, as it looks you are a female from the Philippines, our other regular, Mr Ecu will probably add some extra info.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby leomarie » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 7:33 am

@x9200

Thank you for your reply. You got a point. I understand what you are trying to say.
and i would just like to share it to you - that when i was escorted by the police going to my gate one lady immigration officer approached to me and she told if I know someone in singapore i can send a letter for an appeal. which my problem is I don't have a Singaporean friend there. so now, I am asking for any option how to send a letter of appeal? thank you!

Have a great day.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby x9200 » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 7:46 am

What ICA is concerned about is why do you travel to Singapore that frequently. Also, how frequently was it? We had one poster on this board, also originally from the Philippines who had the same problem because she liked to shop in Singapore. She was never deported (refused the entry - see below) but at one point she was brought aside for questioning. Eventually she seemed to made her point - she was basically a rich girl and could have proven the shopping was the real reason.

So for your case, before giving you any reasonable advise, we need to know what happened at your first deportation, and the questions I mentioned earlier.

BTW, as far as I can understood from your story, you were not deported but refused the entry. It carries a different weight.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby leomarie » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 8:17 am

I think the reason of my first deportation was i traveled and stay a lot in sg compared to the other countries that I've been traveling. from May 2015 i was already flying in and out sg but staying there like 5 days and fly to Jakarta,ho chi min for 4 days back to sg stayed like 1 week and fly to brunei for 1 week and back to sg again and fly to KL. The reason i traveled a lot for this countries (Asia) is because of the work of my fiancé - wherever he traveled he wants me to go with him, ( and about my work if I have?- yes I have - I am self employed - I work in online-and I have a small clothing business in the Philippiines) that's why I can travel with him anytime.

- back to the topic - there was a time during October 2015 I stayed almost 20 days then fly to brunei for a week then back to SG - which was this time I was deported when i tried to go back to sg, Which I understand due to my frequent stay. from May 2015 to October 2015 in and out sg.

so now, I need your advice if should i wait for more than a year? Or try to send a letter of appeal?

Thank you!

Will appreciate your advice.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby x9200 » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 9:45 am

But it looks when the 2 "deportations" happened you were not traveling with your fiance? How long, all the days together, you stayed in SG in one year immediately preceding your 1st "deportation" (Oct 2014 - Oct 2015)?
Lastly, what are you going to say in your appeal letter?

Edited to add: and this is also really important to determine whether you were just refused the entry or deported. The later happen when you are already in the country and you are typically detained by the police and later taken to the airport to ensure you left the country.

What did they put in your passport?

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Postby ecureilx » Sat, 09 Apr 2016 1:13 pm

leomarie wrote:I think the reason of my first deportation was i traveled and stay a lot in sg compared to the other countries that I've been traveling. from May 2015 i was already flying in and out sg but staying there like 5 days and fly to Jakarta,ho chi min for 4 days back to sg stayed like 1 week and fly to brunei for 1 week and back to sg again and fly to KL. The reason i traveled a lot for this countries (Asia) is because of the work of my fiancé - wherever he traveled he wants me to go with him, ( and about my work if I have?- yes I have - I am self employed - I work in online-and I have a small clothing business in the Philippiines) that's why I can travel with him anytime.

- back to the topic - there was a time during October 2015 I stayed almost 20 days then fly to brunei for a week then back to SG - which was this time I was deported when i tried to go back to sg, Which I understand due to my frequent stay. from May 2015 to October 2015 in and out sg.

so now, I need your advice if should i wait for more than a year? Or try to send a letter of appeal?

Thank you!

Will appreciate your advice.

Lovely fiance you have there. Are you still Single?

X9200 is right. There's a difference between denied entry and deported. But in Singapore's context it doesn't matter.

Take Malaysia, if you were denied entry for insufficient travel $ you can still go back next day with more $ and 99.9% they will let you in.

But in Singapore, firstly they don't tell you why permission was denied and secondly, 90% of the time or more, Singapore will remember your previous entry being denied and deny entry for you again.

Deported : escorted all the way to boarding gate and APO will wait till plane leaves gate. And in some cases person may be handcuffed till seated.

In your case you weren't deported per se.

PS, while your intention to not pass immigration maybe true, you could have demanded Tiger Ground crew to retrieve your luggage for onward travel, if you were flying both segments on tiger. But if it was different airlines, no immigration officer will buy your story.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby Barnsley » Mon, 11 Apr 2016 1:33 pm

leomarie wrote:Hi all!
Good evening, I would just like to know if what i am going to do about my situation. - Last October 2015 I was deported in sg to Philippines due to my frequent visit to sg. so after that I went back to Philipphines and almost every after 2 weeks I travel to brunei,Malaysia and Indonesia until now.so what happened last February of this year 2016 - I went to Malaysia and I had flight back to Manila by tiger airways and its connecting from KLIA to changi to Manila - so when i reached to changi airport I went to the information and ask for an assistance about my luggage if how can I get it because i had to catch a flight again back to Manila and they pointed the tiger airways help desk, i went there and told them that I need some help to get my luggage and they told me I need to go through immigration. i had no idea at all. so i went through the immigration and before giving my passport I spoke to the officer first about my concern - I told him that I don't want to go out and go through here I just need someone to get luggage outside because I have a flight back to Manila. But he get my passport and bring it to the office and ask me to follow and they deport me again which was not supposed to happened. so now I am having a 2 record of deportation October 2015 and February 2016. What should I do?
Thank you for you help.

God bless everyone.


Don't fly budget airlines .... they are all point to point I believe, you cannot do a "transit" with budget airlines if you have checked in your bags

If you fly the full service airlines your bags will checked all the way through.
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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby nakatago » Mon, 11 Apr 2016 1:36 pm

Barnsley wrote:Don't fly budget airlines .... they are all point to point I believe, you cannot do a "transit" with budget airlines if you have checked in your bags

If you fly the full service airlines your bags will checked all the way through.


That's what I thought too; budget airlines don't "do transfers." So, if you have two legs, even if the same budget airline, your bags will come out the conveyor belts.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby BBCWatcher » Mon, 11 Apr 2016 3:07 pm

Not all, not always. AirAsia, for example, checks bags through on connecting flights when the transit point is Kuala Lumpur (KLIA2) or Bangkok (Don Mueang). To pick another example, Scoot offers Scoot-Thru service to avoid the need to collect and recheck bags at Singapore Changi Airport, even when connecting to Tigerair flights, but you have to pay SGD20 extra for Scoot-Thru.

There are some occasions when the "full service" airlines cannot interline baggage, meaning they cannot check through baggage if you're flying more than one carrier. I recall hearing that Delta and United recently ended their interline baggage agreement, for example. So if you fly Delta to Tokyo then United to Guam (for example), you'd have to pick up your bags in Tokyo and recheck them. (Two "full service" airlines, both based in the U.S., but no more interlining -- very annoying.) Also, a few countries -- the United States is a notable example -- always require picking up and rechecking baggage, even if you're just there for a flight connection. The Schengen Area has a similar sort of arrangement, as I recall. For example, if you fly Air France from Singapore to Paris then have a connecting Air France flight to Rome, as I recall you pick up your bags and clear customs and immigration in Paris, then recheck for your flight to Rome. It's been a while since I've had an intra-Schengen connecting flight, though, so I don't quite remember those details.

Anyway, to net it out, do a little research and plan ahead. The safest thing to do is pick a transit airport where you have (or can obtain) a visa or have visa waiver privileges since there's always some risk you'll have to stay longer than you expect due to a missed flight connection or a baggage snafu.

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 11 Apr 2016 3:43 pm

BBCWatcher wrote:Anyway, to net it out, do a little research and plan ahead. The safest thing to do is pick a transit airport where you have (or can obtain) a visa or have visa waiver privileges since there's always some risk you'll have to stay longer than you expect due to a missed flight connection or a baggage snafu.


I don't know in this case, but my first point was/is, why didn't the fiance' vouch for her, when she was turned away the first time ?

And secondly, I doubt this was her intention, but a lot of people do try what she did - transit in SG, thinking that it will help in clearing their name. I am not sure that ever worked.

Other than a Form 14A, with a local sponsor, I don't see much she can do. Of course, if the fiance' is still in love, he can bring her along and put a bit of weight with ICA and see if that works.

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Refused Entry to Singapore

Postby Ann17 » Thu, 21 Jul 2016 6:48 am

Hi guys! Badly need your help abou6t my situation..

Entered Singapore: May 14, 2016
Left Singapore then travel to BKK: June 11, 2016
BKK to SG: June 15, 2016

I have a "refused to entry" from singapore. I had this because when I had my vacation in Singapore i applied for a job but since its almost 30 days I have to exit to BKK then go back to SG again (hoping to get 30days again but it didnt happen). Before i left SG, there was PENDING PASS APPLICATION from MOM and ICA saw it when i came back from Bangkok. So they asked me to wait for it to be approved in my country which is philippines then comeback once its approved.. And worst nightmare came out..

I was sent back to phils ( Airport to Airport) I came back from BKK to SG June 15 and i was sent back to Phils June 16 12midnight..

So i just have to accept it.. When I came home, unluckily my pass was rejected :cry:

Here's some of my questions for now:

● How can I clear my record from ICA if there is a new company willing to apply for a pass for me?

● If they will apply pass via agency, does the agency know what to do for "refuse entry case"?

● Does refuse to entry case can affect application of pass?

Thank you and hoping to get a response please.. Thank you so much!!

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Re: Refused from entering singapore, how long i can go back?

Postby x9200 » Thu, 21 Jul 2016 7:32 am

I doubt you got the entry refusal just because your pass application, but the true reason behind the refusal may be also the reason for the pass rejection.


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