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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:26 pm

So its to tell people to get off their lazy fat arses, but you're a little sensitive to someone saying that its an idiotic statement?

OK

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27 pm

Sonar wrote:So its to tell people to get off their lazy fat arses, but you're a little sensitive to someone saying that its an idiotic statement?

OK


Troll, I never said fat :wink:

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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:32 pm

I am so terribly sorry to have misquoted you. That must be me getting above "my station", whatever you think that is.

Clearly, disagreeing with you does not belong on a free forum..............

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:41 pm

Sonar wrote:I am so terribly sorry to have misquoted you. That must be me getting above "my station", whatever you think that is.

Clearly, disagreeing with you does not belong on a free forum..............


Go and crawl back under your rock - you're just another 10 post wonder who comes on here to pick fights and vent their sexual frustration.

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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:47 pm

No, I just came here to insult anyone who has a maid.

Oops, no - that was you.

Wow - You really get fired up easily.

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Postby nakatago » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:54 pm

What do we have here?

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:56 pm

Sonar wrote:No, I just came here to insult anyone who has a maid.

Oops, no - that was you.

Wow - You really get fired up easily.


Actually, I don't. I get annoyed by troll's who just come on here to pick fights and that is the pure focus of their effort. Come back and chirp up once you've helped people with questions and made some positive contribution.

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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:59 pm

Well, what we have here is someone who wanted to have a little moan about being let down by her maid. Then a moderate amount of fairly harsh criticism because she dared vent.

Then, silly me, thought it would be OK to agree with her. But that just led to me being told that I was getting above my station and instructed to crawl back under my rock.

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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:01 pm

You mean a positive contribution like telling people to get of their lazy arses?

I'll work on it, but I don't know if I could ever become that inspirational.

If you have no kids, as your post implies, and therefore presumably no maid, then I guess you are only on this thread to criticize?

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:07 pm

Sonar wrote:Well, what we have here is someone who wanted to have a little moan about being let down by her maid. Then a moderate amount of fairly harsh criticism because she dared vent.

Then, silly me, thought it would be OK to agree with her. But that just led to me being told that I was getting above my station and instructed to crawl back under my rock.


You started it with your little wisecrack - if you can't take getting some back, don't give it out first and get personal. I was making generalisations and it wasn't aimed at anyone. You get personal with me and then threw the toys out of your pram because I replied back in the same manner.

I'll agree to disagree with you because I'm not on a pissing contest.

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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:16 pm

Yes that's right. I am sitting here sobbing because you were mean to me.

I'm quite happy to agree to disagree.

I don't think people who have maids are lazy.

I think people who have children are probably more understanding of what it takes to raise them.

I don't agree that expats with kids are sacrificing their children to chase the mighty dollar.

I also disagree with the concept a maid should be tolerated silently regardless of what they do, rather than risk having people insult you.

Particularly on a forum that is specifically about Domestic Helper issues.

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Postby BillyB » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:24 pm

Good night, Sonar.
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Postby Sonar » Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:39 pm

Good Night BillyB.

Sweet dreams.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:55 am

BillyB wrote:Personally, I'd only have kids when as a couple we're completely financially stable and emotionally (in the sense there is no longer the 'we, we, we, we' attitude to going out, travelling etc) ready so that we can devote ourselves completely to them. I certainly wouldn't subject them to moving every few years to chase a little more dollar, neither would I palm them off with a foreigner / maid before they are at least 4/5 and started school.

I'm not saying it's the right way, but it's a view that I strobgly believe in. The first 4/5 years are crucial in the development of a child so i believe they should be with at least one of the parents for the majority of that time. It's not feasible for everyone to do this, but you asked for my personal view.

We had waited till we were ready for near 7 years and figured out in one point that we were as much ready as it gets. Time is ticking. More-less settle down in Singapore. Surely it would be much better to take care of the kid till he is the said 4/5 but this would kill my wife's business and also have financial impact on our plans on the kid's future education. On the other hand, so many generations used nannies/maids/nurseries before and looks like pretty many people are far enough for any forms of acute social pathology. I believe it is important how the parents are engaged in the upbringing process and they still can do it with the maids pretty effectively. This goes well beyond the age of 4 and probably majority of the disasters tends to happen slightly later.
For the time being we found a pretty good local nanny and have her part time. She is also hired by another expat family so there is a real risk L-in maid may come to direct focus sooner or later.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:02 pm

Sonar wrote:I don't think people who have maids are lazy.

He was pretty clearly generalizing.
1. I do agree with this as for the local population employing the maids
2. I disagree this is the case for majority of the expat families - at least from the countries traditionally not employing the maids.
As many of the pretty diversified expact families as I know, practically all of them face the basic problem: maids vs privacy and sheer laziness is not enough to overcome this.


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