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I am an immature Foreign Talent who has spit his dummy.

Postby Muhammad ZARGHAM » Sun, 03 Jul 2011 9:00 pm

I am an immature wally who decided to spit my dummy because I didn't get the answer I wanted here so I've deleted my posts and made a shambles of this thread. This is a very good reason for MOM to reject my pass renewal. I'm not mature enough to be Foreign Talent here. It's best that they send me home......

Bet he won't delete this! - moderator :devil:
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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 03 Jul 2011 9:28 pm

Your problem is that with '7.9' years of relevant experience, your salary is going in the wrong direction. You had a job at $2600 and now are asking for a permit where you are paid less.

Good, experienced, and skilled people with your level of experience are making $6K and up.

My guess is that the gahmen really doesn't think your experience is all that relevant, otherwise your pay would not be so low.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 03 Jul 2011 11:36 pm

If you have been here 6 months, surely you know that the gahmen are trying to reduce the numbers of peoples from the sub-continent that are here in Singapore. You also signed an agreement when you married a Singaporean, in that you acknowledge the fact that doing so WOULD NOT guarantee you PR at any time, either now or in the future. If you kind of skimmed over that part, you really goofed.

If so many of your colleagues were Singaporean with that much experience, then it's pretty easy to see why you are being rejected now. There are plenty of locals capable of doing your job, so your "expertise" is no longer required. As an expatriate, you have to expect that.

I reckon you need to get your things in order and have your wife get used to the fact that she might be having to go to Bangladesh or Pakistan or wherever you are originally from if she wants to stay with you.

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Postby Muhammad ZARGHAM » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 9:25 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If you have been here 6 months, surely you know that the gahmen are trying to reduce the numbers of peoples from the sub-continent that are here in Singapore.

Govt is tightning the rules, brother we are hearing this since 20 years......... But still people are getting job........

If so many of your colleagues were Singaporean with that much experience, then it's pretty easy to see why you are being rejected now.

True, but stilll employers prefer to hire us, because locals are not willing to work long hours, and they demand much higher pays, so companies willing to hire us not locals. Isn't it?

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:23 am

Muhammad ZARGHAM wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:If you have been here 6 months, surely you know that the gahmen are trying to reduce the numbers of peoples from the sub-continent that are here in Singapore.

Govt is tightning the rules, brother we are hearing this since 20 years......... But still people are getting job........

If so many of your colleagues were Singaporean with that much experience, then it's pretty easy to see why you are being rejected now.

True, but stilll employers prefer to hire us, because locals are not willing to work long hours, and they demand much higher pays, so companies willing to hire us not locals. Isn't it?



Mate, you are hearing this for 20 years ?? wow .. so what makes you not get a PR here long time ago ?? :)

I been here for 10 plus years, and I can see the govt being really drastic in curtailing semi-qualified people .. and those jobs that went to foreigners .. not because locals don't want to do .. but foreigners .. like, say, in your case, accept the offer for 1,500 and the company declares 2,500 .. and MOM thinks the company pays the worker 2,500 .. which MOM has wisened up a lot .. and .. a lot of Singaporeans were being taken for a ride, by small companies, under the pretext of no-willing-staff, only to employ cheaper foreigners .. maybe SMS can vouch, but MOM Has seen through all the antics ..

Plus, after all Singapore has an unemployment of less than 2%, whereas, Indian Unemployment is officially at 9% and Pakistan at above 7% .. and the govt is doing a lot to adjust the unemployment by job creation, for Locals .. so .. unless you are in Mars, you may still argue that nothing is being done ..

As for your next comment ... if you are such a hot property, you should be getting the pay scales as bank/finance people get .. like 5,000 and above ..

And for your comment that Singaporeans' dont work long hours ?? Ah .. come on .. want my office address and want to see how many step off at 5.30 ?? While our working hours are 8.30 to 5.30, not a minority leaves at 5.30, except those who have family commitments, and all wrap up at 6.30 .. and for the myth that Singaporeans are lazy .. well, let me tell you, after having worked for 6 companies here .. those who pack up on time, atleat half the time, report to work at 7.30 or 8.00 .. unlike "WE FOREIGNERS" who clock in at 9.30 and are starting to accuse Singaporeans being lazy .. when the early worker knocks off at 5.30 to take care of their kids .. and cook for their family, or have dinner, as the rest of the people do in this part of the world - at 6.30 PM ..

Now, my friend, people like you .. come here, start work at 9.30, then have a massive mega meal .. and then take 3 coffee/tea breaks.. and in effect, burn off atleast 2 hours being unproductive .. and then leave office at 9.30 .. telling your wife to hang herself .. (ah, obedient wife .. must make husband happy .. and wait at the door .. ) and then when the boss sess your efficiency .. he is not happy to tell you to pack off at 6 PM .. so they praise you saying "foreigners work long hours .. " .. knowing more often foreigners are liability .. I did a stint in an EPC company, where the boss swears that those who stick around after 6 PM are nothing but lazy bums, and if they are foreigners, he is quick to remind them that staying late doesn't equate to working hard .. and I gotta more than agree with him ... except where you need to do after office system support and the like ..

and one more .. with that kind of attitude .. that Singaporeans' are lazy .. yeah, you will have a lot of admirers in MOM ..

No, I am not one who kiss-ass to gain points, but .. no sir, I aint' somebody who demands respects because I like it ..

No love lost mate ..

And sorry if I offended you .. and I am not good in putting a lot of icing in my words .. apologies in advance ..

Cheers, and have a great Monday ..

PS: as I write this, a Singaporean colleague just stepped in, she had been up until midnight yesterday, to refresh Some DB .. should I tell her that she is lazy and she need to be replaced by A foreigner ... like you ????

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:30 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:If you have been here 6 months, surely you know that the gahmen are trying to reduce the numbers of peoples from the sub-continent that are here in Singapore. You also signed an agreement when you married a Singaporean, in that you acknowledge the fact that doing so WOULD NOT guarantee you PR at any time, either now or in the future. If you kind of skimmed over that part, you really goofed.


Oh crap .. should we sue the Govt .. like they do in UK .. ?? And demand the residency ?? :)

If so many of your colleagues were Singaporean with that much experience, then it's pretty easy to see why you are being rejected now. There are plenty of locals capable of doing your job, so your "expertise" is no longer required. As an expatriate, you have to expect that.


Singapore is not like some Middle-eastern countries that have woken up and are doing drastic things to ensure the locals get properly employed .. but .. it is time .. after all, how easy it is for a Singaporean to get a work pass in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh .. ?? Let me tell you .. 1000 times tough .. no kidding ..

I reckon you need to get your things in order and have your wife get used to the fact that she might be having to go to Bangladesh or Pakistan or wherever you are originally from if she wants to stay with you.


Was this marriage a reverse merger ??

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:30 pm

@ecureilx, I understand reasons behind your rethorics but unfortunately I did not find Singaporeans that effective as you suggest. This include lots of painting the grass greener to please the boss (even if the boss doesn't expect/require it) and all this also during long late hours.
@Muhammad, your points are irrelevant. What is, you are, as you admitted, competing with Singaporeans so you should not be granted EP. Willing to work longer hours doing an underpaid job is not the skill set MOM looks for to distinguish you from the locals.

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Postby JayCee » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:42 pm

ecureilx wrote:Singaporeans being lazy .. when the early worker knocks off at 5.30 to take care of their kids .. and cook for their family, or have dinner, as the rest of the people do in this part of the world - at 6.30 PM ..


I thought most of them just had the maid do all that stuff, the ones I know do and I've yet to meet a Singaporean woman who actually knows how to cook :?
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Postby JR8 » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 1:02 pm

JayCee wrote:I thought most of them just had the maid do all that stuff, the ones I know do and I've yet to meet a Singaporean woman who actually knows how to cook :?



The SGn women I know are a bit of a mixed bag cooking wise. My MIL is good. One friend my age is good. The rest would look at you as if you're nuts if you ask them what they enjoy cooking.

I find it quite strange, the total inability, nay almost proud rejection of being able to cook anything.

I connect it with being able to buy $3 dinners for time-poor people.

p.s. The wife is in deep-remedial cooking therapy. Doing ok too when she focuses on what she is doing :)

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 1:22 pm

x9200 wrote:@ecureilx, I understand reasons behind your rethorics but unfortunately I did not find Singaporeans that effective as you suggest. This include lots of painting the grass greener to please the boss (even if the boss doesn't expect/require it) and all this also during long late hours


Well, :D :D

isn't pleasing the boss Primary objective for any job description ?? :D :D

I also know, a lot of my colleagues and ex-colleagues, who probably found a way to send out emails at set times, like midnight, or weekend hours, as if they are working hard .. but that crap doesn't fly in our place atleast ..

Elsewhere, yes, it does win favours .. ;)

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 1:52 pm

ecureilx wrote:
x9200 wrote:@ecureilx, I understand reasons behind your rethorics but unfortunately I did not find Singaporeans that effective as you suggest. This include lots of painting the grass greener to please the boss (even if the boss doesn't expect/require it) and all this also during long late hours


Well, :D :D

isn't pleasing the boss Primary objective for any job description ?? :D :D

Only some certain ways I believe :)

I also know, a lot of my colleagues and ex-colleagues, who probably found a way to send out emails at set times, like midnight, or weekend hours, as if they are working hard .. but that crap doesn't fly in our place atleast ..

Methinks you may be lucky.

Elsewhere, yes, it does win favours .. ;)


Mr Muhammad tries to delete his posts. Feeling insecure or pissed off by the comments? Tells a lot about ones personality.

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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 1:56 pm

x9200 wrote:Mr Muhammad tries to delete his posts. Feeling insecure or pissed off by the comments? Tells a lot about ones personality.


Yeah, and now it looks like you and me screaming at each other ..

Oh, include JR8, Jaycee and SMS in the silly talk .. :D :D

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irrelevent

Postby Muhammad ZARGHAM » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 1:58 pm

Dear x9200,
As somebody say, its all irrelevent, that's why I removed, because its useless to post if it is irrelevant.

Hope you dont mind.

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Postby JayCee » Mon, 04 Jul 2011 2:01 pm

Methinks the mods will mind, bye bye :wave:
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