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Postby JR8 » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 2:10 am

x9200 wrote:For improvisation, I don't feel there is much improvisation in Prog outside of instrumental solos, which mainstream Rock has as well, just shorter.
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Yes, but improvisations are generally about instrumental solos also in jazz.
This (Jan Akkerman, Hocus Pocus):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-27U13 ... re=related
quoted by JR8 the other time.


Just for the record - as at some points we go above the songs themself and into the 'compositional philosophy' being employed. Some years ago I was talking about versions/improv with Jan and he said [roughly] 'I never play a song live twice in the same way'.

I think you see it it that vid. He has the clear general direction and enjoys producing an elaborate rendition incorporating it. But a bit like skiing off-piste, after many many years, adding to the challenge and doing variations on your path keep it fresh; and in fact it is the small impromptu flourishes on the path that facilitate it.

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 2:39 am

x9200 wrote:I think I owe you at least one good beer.


Yay, I was wondering how long it would take until you said that eh!! :wink:


Trance on guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCa_rKIGiEk

Or try this. Some of this around 4:00 is pretty breath-taking (to me).

The guy looks like a boiler-plate Red Sea dive-guide lol...

p.s Anyone know what the 'vibro-thing' he holds to the strings is? Can't say I've seen anything like that before.

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Postby Brah » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 8:48 am

This was pretty cool.
JR8 wrote:Trance on guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCa_rKIGiEk

p.s Anyone know what the 'vibro-thing' he holds to the strings is? Can't say I've seen anything like that before.

It's an E-Bow. Became popular in the 70s.

Steve Hackett of Genesis uses it a lot, here's an example in a very bad version of a very good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHgRv9x_Vs#t=2m0s

After a few seconds purge yourself of that to hear the right version of the song, with Steve Walsh of Kansas singing in his inimitable voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jEcfHq6v4

Works on acoustic too of course, see 00:28: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGUgq57U5PA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBow

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 9:27 am

JR8 wrote:
x9200 wrote:I think I owe you at least one good beer.


Yay, I was wondering how long it would take until you said that eh!! :wink:

You always have to wait till almost all the hope is gone. Unfortunately it did not work quite well in this case. Anyway, I am happy I was was wrong.

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Postby Brah » Sun, 23 Dec 2012 8:35 pm

Another temporary diversion from the recent posts, this one really blew my mind. It's from 1969!!

This guy was way ahead of his time, and I'm sure the Kraftwerk boys were influenced by this.

It's the first version of a more pop and less interesting song that reemerged in 1972 to become a moderate hit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRCemf2JHc

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:37 am

Brah: This is surprising and fantastic. I’ve never heard of this E-bow. Slide guitar, sure, but never this. Wow!
Your Walsh link is I think a Hackett link oso. But no matter you have illustrated the point well.

X9: Cool. There is an expression in England, when a friend owes you a beer (yah, it’s the British ‘rounds thing’ again, which I know none of ‘you foreigners’ get lol), but when a round is being bought and you’re not ready for yours, you can say... ‘leave it in the tap’. I.e. it’s bought and paid, just not poured until you ask the barman for it later on in a short while. The flip-side was the very public question out loud by someone in your drinking group ‘Come on then whose being shy!?’ which isn't a question but a statement that means someone is alleged to be trying to avoid paying to get their round in. A very City thing back in the 80s where being accused of ‘being shy’ in the pub was akin to ‘receiving the Black Spot’ [perhaps another story ! ].

Brah: re: the Moog synth track Popcorn... LOL, Blast from the past!!! Around 1973 I was given an album for Xmas and it was something like ‘20 greatest synthesiser hits’, which of course was really very fashionable/becoming mainstream at the time. I seem to recall Popcorn was the main song on that album, and I have not heard it for many years!

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Postby Brah » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 5:42 am

JR8 wrote:Brah: re: the Moog synth track Popcorn... LOL, Blast from the past!!! Around 1973 I was given an album for Xmas and it was something like ‘20 greatest synthesiser hits’, which of course was really very fashionable/becoming mainstream at the time. I seem to recall Popcorn was the main song on that album, and I have not heard it for many years!


Cool - A kid I knew is school got a Moog for Christmas, and he got an album with it. I copied his album and this song always stood out because of the chord changes, t could possibly be on yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1KK-pqaYcg

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 5:45 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XVN076UgY
The Prodigy Live @ Avex Rave'94 Tokyo, Japan


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Postby x9200 » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:35 pm

JR8 wrote:X9: Cool. There is an expression in England, when a friend owes you a beer (yah, it’s the British ‘rounds thing’ again, which I know none of ‘you foreigners’ get lol), but when a round is being bought and you’re not ready for yours, you can say... ‘leave it in the tap’. I.e. it’s bought and paid, just not poured until you ask the barman for it later on in a short while. The flip-side was the very public question out loud by someone in your drinking group ‘Come on then whose being shy!?’ which isn't a question but a statement that means someone is alleged to be trying to avoid paying to get their round in. A very City thing back in the 80s where being accused of ‘being shy’ in the pub was akin to ‘receiving the Black Spot’ [perhaps another story ! ].

I see. I guess the only valid question now is how can I repay my heavy debts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ML6DApSF3w
Merry Christmas!

PS. The 'rounds' thing. Sounds pretty similar to what we are doing (depending on the group of people) except of leaving anything in the tap. We don't do such favors. You may end up with a few beers in front of you. Vodka is always drunk in rounds (be it at home or somewhere out). We don't call out the 'shy', we don't invite them next time if they are shy too often.

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:01 pm

Brah wrote:Cool - A kid I knew is school got a Moog for Christmas, and he got an album with it. I copied his album and this song always stood out because of the chord changes, t could possibly be on yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1KK-pqaYcg


Hahaha.... that was cool, very sort of 'New space-age/Apollo' etc, you even get some prog influences in there too. I can't say that I have heard that before so it was very interesting. That sound is so 'of a time' kinda 70-74 [IMHO].

A Moog for Xmas ... phhhh that must have cost serious $shedloads back then. Bit like my friend who got given a Gibson Les Paul in 72-75 when he was like 11 or 12... [/jealousy!]

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 1:32 am

Jethro Tull: Minstrel in the Gallery (07/31/1976)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_lQ0H4zZEA



p.s. Ian Anderson went from a bright kid from a modest background, to become a significant farmer/landowner. Respect to that...

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 3:13 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThSi1wbqU
Sweet Georgia Brown med traktorkomp

Jazz with an old tractor as percussion. If you've not heard this style before this a genre called 'Tractor-blues'. Oh yes! :)

As far as I can tell this one is from Denmark.


p.s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqatMdB5 ... =endscreen
The Tractor Blues Jam..!! - National Duolian & Victor the tractor!!

With slide gittar for a great southern lilt.... :)

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 4:02 am

'And Georgia is always on my mind...'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRKqfrct070
Rainy Night in Georgia -- Brook Benton

Wow what a sweet voice.
[Apols tried to find a decent version w/vid, which I prefer, but couldn't]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v78-ftcqpNw
(1973) Empress Gladys & The Pips "Midnight Train To Georgia"

Those Pips were cool cats... :-D

Georgia on my Mind- Ray Charles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thls_tMuFkc

[Just wow]

'Georgia On My Mind' DJANGO REINHARDT (1936, Paris) Jazz Guitar Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LPPs7CGrBw

Django being perhaps THE spirit/inspration behind Jan Akkerman taking up guitar as a boy... Funny, I'd never heard this until today.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 4:29 am

Status Quo - Rockin' All Over The World (Live At Knebworth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-8K8Hj8bxE

A great festival band. i.e. You'd have to be a pretty jaundiced bugger to not enjoy hearing them perform live...

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 25 Dec 2012 4:52 am

With a Little Help-Joe Cocker
[Woodstock 1969]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVyJVYWHJaY


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