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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sat, 21 May 2016 6:40 pm

Brah wrote:I know her but not that she went to the UK.
Big Mama Thornton is new to me, she really owned that stage, the men in the band really seemed to defer to her, I doubt that happened often those days.


Good thought, unusual to have made the journey and yet today be a name that I'd reckon over 90% [+?] of people in the UK wouldn't recognise. But seems it was part of a touring US blues festival which makes more sense. And yes I agree with you she totally owns that set, it's quite something esp. considering the era :lol:
And answering my own question from earlier, yes it seems it was Buddy Guy on guitar...

'As her career began to fade in the late 1950s and early 1960s,[1] she left Houston and relocated to the San Francisco Bay Area, "playing clubs in San Francisco and L.A. and recording for a succession of labels",[14] notably Berkeley-based Arhoolie Records. In 1965, she toured with the American Folk Blues Festival package in Europe,[20] where her success was notable "because very few female blues singers at that time had ever enjoyed success across the Atlantic."[21] While in England that year, she recorded her first album for Arhoolie, titled Big Mama Thornton – In Europe. It featured backing by blues veterans Buddy Guy (guitar), Fred Below (drums), Eddie Boyd (keyboards), Jimmy Lee Robinson (bass), and Walter "Shakey" Horton (harmonica), except for three songs on which Fred McDowell provided acoustic slide guitar.'
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sat, 21 May 2016 10:54 pm

Brah wrote:Gawd, the stuff we used to watch. They have whole episodes on YT (were those shows really 45 minutes long?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpFtbQKS18
19:32 -> . Wow, those old Ford LTDs....


Oh I agree :-D
45mins does seem quite long, esp if they had ads and say ran for an hour. But then I have a feeling that ad breaks have increased these days, and perhaps attention spans gone the other way. Some of the hit shows these days if you edit out the ad-breaks you're left with as little as 30 [max] minutes...

re: It reminded me of the car on Blur's 'Song 2' record sleeve, but it's not. Sub-meme: cars on record sleeves -> http://oppositelock.kinja.com/cars-on-a ... 1656566643

Brah wrote:...and the requisite tough black cop boss -
This is the premise of who the undercover cop friend in So I Married An Axe Murderer wanted his mild-mannered boss (Alan Arkin) to be, brilliant.


Lol again :-D It is a stereotype isn't it, all cop bosses had to be completely ball-chewing.
Around the end of the S+H era in the UK we had The Professionals in the late 70s IIRC. That was domestic and tending towards a scenario of two plain-clothes/special-ops almost 'special forces'. Their boss was a ball-chewer too. That said it seems odd that James Bond's boss has been a much more contemplative character, though no less clear on what was required.
[Theme music/cameo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFVEvZvo3g - a great example of what MrsJR8 calls 'wakka-wakka' guitar :)]

That SIMAAM link was great, I've not seen that film before, if the clip is any way representative of the whole it's one I should watch.

Brah wrote:(which by the way is the movie that brought us these gems:
There She Goes -


Both versions from mid-North England, the Manchester/Liverpool area, so that sound can be referred to as the 'Madchester sound' [correct spelling]. You can see how the likes of Oasis fit into the same.

Brah wrote:Talking about those 70s street-theme soundtracks, an English friend introduced me to Lalo Schifrin about a year ago. Proper works in their own right.
Bullitt | Soundtrack Suite:


Yes, very much of the style. The bit that sounds like a sample of the Pink Panther theme (before 1min) was a surprise.

Brah wrote:Lalo Schifrin Greatest Hits Part I (Movie Scores):


Film themes, as in written for a film rather than pre-existing and adopted, seem to be a whole genre in themselves. For one thing they appear to have more latitude to be abstract. Perhaps they suggest a scene/mood, and there's less need for the composition to neatly self-resolve.... hmm...
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Mon, 23 May 2016 8:40 pm

JR8 wrote:[Theme music/cameo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCFVEvZvo3g - a great example of what MrsJR8 calls 'wakka-wakka' guitar :)]

Right - wha-wha pedal. Like a lot of old porn soundtracks (there must be some listing on Dangerous Minds of examples).

I always loved that early 70s street sound, like the Theme from Shaft and Popa (sic) was a Rolling Stone and Streetwave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFvRvSxsW-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV2pWFyfn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_7Pu5GvZ8

That SIMAAM link was great, I've not seen that film before, if the clip is any way representative of the whole it's one I should watch.

I really like it, saw it a number of times, and found it to be a funny movie, especially when Mike Myers, who was to become remarkably un-funny to the Adam Sandberg level in most of his subsequent movies, goes into character as his own Scottish father.

Brah wrote:(which by the way is the movie that brought us these gems:
There She Goes -

Both versions from mid-North England, the Manchester/Liverpool area, so that sound can be referred to as the 'Madchester sound' [correct spelling]. You can see how the likes of Oasis fit into the same.

I never realized that parallel but do see it

Film themes, as in written for a film rather than pre-existing and adopted, seem to be a whole genre in themselves. For one thing they appear to have more latitude to be abstract. Perhaps they suggest a scene/mood, and there's less need for the composition to neatly self-resolve.... hmm...

To X9200's early points on the subject.
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 May 2016 2:20 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA
'Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name - 1993'
[Used to be illegal to import or sell this in SG.... wonder if it still is...]


-- I originally set out to find some mid-90s stuff by The Offspring - only to encounter pretty-fied mid-00 versions of their performances, hence ended up with RATM which conveyed the 'spirit of that time' that I was trying to convey to a friend...
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 May 2016 3:14 am

@Brah:
Ah so the ‘wakka wakka’ is just a wha-wha pedal? Interesting, it seems more of an extreme/fast/synthesised version of the kind you might hear in the 60s... [you say wha-wha pedal to me, and it suggests country music].
.... love that Shaft theme :)
That Temptations track too. The ‘wacka wacka’ is a bit more chilled out in this one...
Brothers Johnson – ah ah the bulging jeans lol Can’t say I know this one, love the very free and dynamic bass style. The synth is nice too. Another for me to explore perhaps...
Thx for the SIMAAM rec – I’ll keep an eye out for it. For some reason I really enjoyed Wayne’s World and MM in that – another example of time+place maybe...
re: Madchester scene –> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madchester I expect there was another scene centred in Liverpool, and like a Venn diagram they overlapped. To me that sound came and still comes over as pretty gritty northern working-class, though usually harmonic (i.e. most unlike say punk, which was usually ‘gritty London/southern’ and often discordant)
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 May 2016 3:22 am

That said: I was wondering where the punk band The Buzzcocks come from, somewhere up north...
per Wiki:
'Buzzcocks are an English punk band, formed in Bolton in 1976 by singer-songwriter-guitarist Pete Shelley and singer-songwriter Howard Devoto.[1]
They are regarded as an important influence on the Manchester music scene [Link],...'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzzcocks

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'The "Madchester" music scene brought much media attention to the city from the late 1980s to the beginning of the 1990s. Bands such as the Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, the Charlatans, the Inspiral Carpets and James mixed alternative rock, psychedelic rock and dance music to create a sound which led to commercial success in the indie rock field and a wider musical influence nationally. The '90s brought forth arguably Manchester's most popular band, Oasis.
The Chemical Brothers (from Southern England) formed in Manchester.[55] Also, ex-Stone Roses frontman Ian Brown has forged a successful solo career, as has ex-Smiths' leadman Morrissey. Among the others born in the Manchester area are Richard Ashcroft and Jay Kay, the singer and mastermind of the acid jazz band Jamiroquai.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_o ... ster#Music
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 May 2016 3:29 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EEPvXlTUnU
'Buzzcocks - What do I get'

One of what I consider the original punk bands, without the outright violence/destruction that became a tag-along bore.
Was amazed c5 years ago to see in a SISTIC events round-up to see they were playing a pub down on the Quays. Amazing, it was so nostalgic for me I was just about on the verge of squeezing out a tear of nostalgia.

Actually getting to see niche bands using SG as a stop-off esp between Aus and to the north-west back to Europe, or en-route north> east back to the US/CN seems a good way to see some unlikely bands...

ps. Some friends in a then school-years era band used to play this. Always enjoyed it. Hadn't quite [?] realised until today that it seems to have originally been a Buzzcocks track.... hmmm :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYiQ8Qsozk - 'Buzzcocks-Boredom'. Bit of a blast from the past... :)
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 24 May 2016 3:55 am

.... It's an interesting equation that leads to a concert perhaps 'working' for you. Familiarity perhaps plays less of a part than you might imagine, but 'connecting' somehow does.
Venue size does IMHO. The attitude of the band does too, plus their chosen set-list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-4KWHkt3w
'Buzzcocks - Ever Fallen In Love (Live at Zirca)'

This is a home-vid from that night, Buzzcocks down at The Quays.... cripes, 7 years ago! You can sense the great vibe going on though... :-D


-- The under-produced sound that comes over, ironic, that WAS exactly how it was like originally back in the 70s
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Fri, 27 May 2016 1:49 am

First heard of this band tonight. It's a current band from the UK.
To me it's like very early 70's Sabbath (Ozzy etc), with a good dose of a psychedelic vibe. Quite intense in parts. I've just switched it on and into the first 3-4 tracks so far. Seems the band are doing well too, touring euro-festivals etc. [tags: retro proto-metal, but completely different, reinvented]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOlOeS738k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Aci ... _Deadbeats
'Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats'

11mins in, the sound has switched to more modern.... wonder how this will pan out :).... nice gittar, nice tight sound...
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sat, 28 May 2016 12:57 am

Having a discussion with some friends over on FB about the song 'Lou Reed - Perfect Day'. The OP there maintains it's about a happy relationship with a women he'd [LR] just met. But to me it's always been about heroine addiction, something LR makes no secret of having had.
[Hit songs like 'I'm waiting for my man' being the first clue...]

So it's weird to me really how it got picked by advertisers as a positive message and lyric. And covers by Pavarotti, Duran Duran et al. To me it's about having a day fixed-up and left alone uninterrupted to spend with 'sister heroine'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEC4TZsy-Y
Lou Reed - Perfect Day

p.s. Consider the lyrics, it seems obvious to me. Not least the closing reprise - 'You're going to reap just what you sow' - is that an acknowledgement of what heroine will certainly do to him, rather than some supposed loved-up line to a woman? Nah, the latter would come over as more of a death-threat and be wholly out of place...

And Perfect Day was within a period that also yielded 'Lou Reed - I'm waiting for my man' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hugY9CwhfzE . The meaning of which is surely beyond doubt...
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Postby Brah » Sat, 28 May 2016 1:17 pm

I'm cheating here by way of Wiki which states:
"The song's lyrics are often considered to suggest simple, conventional romantic devotion, possibly alluding to Reed's relationship with Bettye Kronstad and Reed's own conflicts with his sexuality, drug use, and ego.

Some commentators have further seen the lyrical subtext as displaying Reed's romanticized attitude towards a period of his own addiction to heroin (especially the sinister closing line, "You're going to reap just what you sow"); this popular understanding of the song as an ode to addiction led to its inclusion in the soundtrack for Trainspotting, a film about the lives of heroin addicts."


Not sure if you know one of his less-known works and post-famous era which was also an ad. I liked it when it first came out and I heard it on the radio, only later did I see the ad. It was not, to my understanding, written as an ad though there is shameless product placement embedded.

New Sensations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxn_B_2XWMs

I couldn't find the ad I thought he used that song in, where he mentions Kawasaki, the subsequent ad was for Honda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6y9_0gsEg

Came across this in the process, might be a good site: http://www.retrojunk.com/commercial/sho ... y-lou-reed
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sat, 28 May 2016 5:50 pm

I wasn't familiar with that more recent track. Nor his evolving towards, well, pretty much a pop sound. Takes a bit of adjustment since I'm so used to him singing about gritty grungy sleazy 'street-life'. I.e. I hear that voice, and that's where I'm expecting the mood to be.

re: your comment, I was expecting a visual product placement, but the vocal one was like a shovel around the head...
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Thu, 02 Jun 2016 3:22 am

And now for something completely different... Metallica on a banjo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB_RvsXu5Y0
'Metallica - Master of Puppets (Banjo cover)'

Fun, but interesting too. Why the caravan is painted with an English flag... no idea!
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Re: Music

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Sun, 05 Jun 2016 4:27 am

^^

have watched that Banjo cover before, surely you must hear megadeth holy wars played with a string on a spade :lol:

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Re: Music

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Sun, 05 Jun 2016 4:29 am

and in other music related news Brian Johnson could very well return to AC/DC is this hearing device works on him, watch the video in addition to the article.

http://teamrock.com/news/2016-06-03/bri ... technology
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