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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Sun, 01 May 2016 4:10 am

JR8 wrote:Shadow Gallery – Interesting, never heard of them before. Quite a collection of styles, from ‘post prog’, outright metal (Iron Maiden etc) to verging on doomy thrash.
That was a recommendation for RATM, something I like that I thought he might like. It's a Prog-Metal concept album with some pretty well thought-out Dystopian themes and lyrics.

Dixie Dregs – Promising venue. Blimey getting off towards Blue-grass. The biggest surprise was the lead Steve Morse [!] who went on from them to be lead guitar in Deep Purple, and the line-up I saw in SG a few years back no less...
This was the start of the Dixie Dregs, a Fusion band that had strong influences from Bluegrass, Rock, Celtic, Prog Rock, Country and Jazz. Gentle Giant and Kansas, and things like Mahavishnu Orchestra influences are easy to hear.

They went on to become The Dregs and do only one or two Country and/or Bluegrassy-songs on subsequent albums and became more Fusion and what can only be described as their own sound, full of mixes of odd- and even time signatures and uber musicianship.

This is more indicative of their early sound, and what got me hooked on them:


("used as the theme tune for BBC Radio 1's Friday Rock Show"):


Mention of Gentle Giant warrants a sample, utterly brilliant and an acquired taste, hardly accessible, not for the faint of heart, where does one begin.....





Hot Tuna – interesting (again), only heard that as a surf brand of clothing. But in this case a spin-off from Jefferson Airplane. Knowing that I can see how they evolved that sound.
Tuna were/are a key part of the San Francisco sound, and Jorma Kaukonen is a master at fingerpick guitar style old time Blues, Jack Casady is highly regarded amongst bass players.

The Naz – Again never heard of them. Reminds me somewhat of bands like The Yardbrirds... [their 2nd link more ‘psych’... like it :)
I think that is what they were aiming for*.

The goofy looking guy is Todd Rundgren, before he went on his own; he's probably the only one who went on to become famous.

The Nazz were a Garage band from Philadelphia, hence Todd's later association with acts like Hall and Oates as their producer. I believe The Nazz are on the first Nuggets compilation of Garage / Psychedelic Rock bands.

*On Todd's Fatihful album, one side is dedicated to influences, and he covers those influences' songs, including Happenings Ten Years Time Ago, a Yardbirds song. Most of the covers are remarkably well done, including this:



Kansas – Almost like Focus in the intro -> The Mamas and the Papas.

Queen/Ogre Fight – Don’t know if I’ve heard this before. The bands inherent talent really shines though [guitar, vocals, slightly unorthodox composition etc, all comes together, in a functional and refreshing way].
I like to remind Queen fans, the ones that for some reason like what I consider awful songs like Fat Bottomed Girls or Bicycle or Another Bites The Dust or We Are The Champions, (all cringe-worthy for me but I get it they are anthem-atic and suited to a crowd chant kind of context), that they started out as a Hard Rock band, and they did Hard Rock very well, that is but one such example, this is another and more popular:


Queen/Nevermore. Again don’t know this. By god FM could sing... what a voice.
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Wow, fascinating compilation there, and I don’t think I’ve heard a single one of those tracks before! The surprise there is that I thought I knew Queen reasonably well, but it shows me that I don't...

Indeed - all but the last came up in conversation that night, I put the last because even some that think of themselves as Queen fans don't know some of this earlier stuff which was excellent and as good as the later stuff everyone knows.

Another one in the same vein
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Re: Music

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 02 May 2016 11:51 am

shadow gallery - reminds me of symphony x/andromeda cross with a pinch of power metal - can hear parts of hammerfall & blind guardian
love the guitars, nice sweeping not fond of the vocals though.

Dixie Dregs - had no idea that steve morse played in this band and moreover, a brief wiki search shows this band still exists and he still
plays for them. this band has a very mahavishnu vibe to it, however there is a distinct difference as well.Bluegrass? is that it? i'm not very
familiar with that genre at all.

Steve Morse band - I think i don't any introduction here. what a wonderful guitarist.

kansas - prior to this song I had heard of carry on my wayward son and dust in the wind so many times that,it was one of those bands that
got sidelined in my playlist.
nice song though.

will listen to the others later.
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Re: Music

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 02 May 2016 12:06 pm

Wishbone Ash - the three below are my favourites, the whole album is a must have, every song on that album is a gem.




they also have a trance/electronic album psychic terrorism which was astounding for me considering how most of their catalog is full of classic rock/progressive and then they take a tangent and produce an electronic album, youtube doesn't even have it.

while we are on this topic here is king crimson
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Mon, 02 May 2016 3:08 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:Wishbone Ash - the three below are my favourites, the whole album is a must have, every song on that album is a gem.

Thanks and I recognize that album cover, I will listen through that
rajagainstthemachine wrote:they also have a trance/electronic album psychic terrorism which was astounding for me considering how most of their catalog is full of classic rock/progressive and then they take a tangent and produce an electronic album, youtube doesn't even have it.

Someone on a different forum some time back suggested me to check out Argus and Pilgrimage, maybe that is the one you mentioned.

rajagainstthemachine wrote:while we are on this topic here is king crimson

I know you know that that is not KC but a cover band...doing one of their classics

I remember another thing from the Eagles' conversation, will add that separately since I was listening to it poolside today coincidentally
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 03 May 2016 1:45 am

Dixie Dregs – Odyssey
The intro is very reminiscent of the tune used for the intro/recurring theme for the film Platoon.
‘Samuel Barber - Samuel Osborne Barber II (March 9, 1910 – January 23, 1981) was an American composer of orchestral, opera, choral, and piano music. He is one of the most celebrated composers of the 20th century: music critic Donal Henahan stated that "Probably no other American composer has ever enjoyed such early, such persistent and such long-lasting acclaim."[1] His Adagio for Strings (1936) has earned a permanent place in the concert repertory of orchestras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Barber
[Example recording: BARBER Adagio for Strings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcflwUYYoXk One of the more melancholy grown-up tunes I might suggest.]
And quite something how it picks up and barrels off so bombastically from there onwards. The band clearly enjoyed presenting complex compositions (complex propositions). Just before you expect they're going to completely lose you at 1:25, they rein it right back... it settles into a kind of stoner/King Crimson vibe. But at 3:00 it's off again, then right back. Haha... teasing aren't they? :) And on ... crikey, interesting but also challenging stuff.

Dixie Dregs - Take it off the Top.
Big fist pumping intro. Such an 80s sound in the intro. Where is Don Johnson?


Gentle Giant - On Reflection.
Wow. That is different. An iteration of Early-Music, very, taking it back to early medieval music. I.e. pre the themes you see played out in 60s prog-rock, Jethro Tull etc. I love that sound, it's so evocative, but I wonder how they got a commercially viable audience to make their explorations viable, never mind financing all those $-instruments.

Gentle Giant - Freehand
The intro reminds me of Focus. Then branching off into more kind of alt-jazz. Then back into a prog-rock vibe/structure.

I remember when Good Vibrations was in the charts (the original, jeez showing my age :)] The ToddR cover (if that is what it actually is) sounds almost note perfect to the original. Was the linked really a cover... ??

Queen - Liar
[And the others]. I better hop, work to do now. Hope to remember to come back this. Interesting to hear Queen presented within a broader context...
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Tue, 03 May 2016 10:41 am

JR8 wrote:Dixie Dregs – Odyssey
The intro is very reminiscent of the tune used for the intro/recurring theme for the film Platoon.
‘Samuel Barber - Samuel Osborne Barber II (March 9, 1910 – January 23, 1981) was an American composer of orchestral, opera, choral, and piano music. He is one of the most celebrated composers of the 20th century: music critic Donal Henahan stated that "Probably no other American composer has ever enjoyed such early, such persistent and such long-lasting acclaim."[1] His Adagio for Strings (1936) has earned a permanent place in the concert repertory of orchestras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Barber
[Example recording: BARBER Adagio for Strings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcflwUYYoXk One of the more melancholy grown-up tunes I might suggest.]

Interesting parallel, and gave cause to hear that piece, it had been years since hearing it.

If you like that Barber piece, there is a similar, well not really, but also melencholy, which I generally do not prefer, and amazing work by the English composer Vaughan Williams.

For Classical music enthusiasts it qualifies as Classical Music 101, but not a lot of people know it. Unlike Baroque, which is great for studying, work around the house, mornings, or at work with headphones, this is not.

Far too moody, and confusing, as it has strong harmonic shifts which carry a lot of emotion, is better heard with the lights low and time to focus and be absorbed by it. Ralph Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihx5LCF1yJY

Composed in the early 1900s and based on a <1-minute hymn written some 450 years earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVVRHjQ5Vd4

Too unique in compositional and orchestral arrangement to describe here, Wiki does a good job of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_ ... mas_Tallis

This guy did a cool synthesizer version of the original hymn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYT6UY8w0f4#t=0m22s
(in the comments for this: Fantastic! Would love to see what you'll do with your arrangement for Barber's "Adagio For Strings")

Once you've heard the Fantasia you might want to see (I love these things) the actual score move through the piece, showing the separate sub-orchestras as they play simultaneously, and, at the start includes the original hymn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ctkdCYzPQ
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Fri, 06 May 2016 5:10 am

[Haven't had a chance to check out the above yet or the links [apols, I'll be back, music is a serious business ;)]

Meanwhile, heard this on the radio this pm... ahhh....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfdWGM5naI
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Postby Brah » Fri, 06 May 2016 2:27 pm

JR8 wrote:[Haven't had a chance to check out the above yet or the links [apols, I'll be back, music is a serious business ;)]

Maybe better to not have yet, as having listened to 3 different live versions and finding one that clearly shows the separation of the main orchestra, the second orchestra, and the soloists, I have replaced the original link with that one.

You will know what I mean by this from the Wiki description of the uncommon arrangement.

Some consider this to be the most beautiful piece of music ever done.
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Postby JR8 » Sun, 08 May 2016 3:00 am

Brah: >> Far too moody, and confusing, as it has strong harmonic shifts which carry a lot of emotion, is better heard with the lights low and time to focus and be absorbed by it. Ralph Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihx5LCF1yJY

Me> Early on reminds me of the Norwegian composer Grieg’s – ‘Peer Gynt’. Probably from a similar era too.
This linked piece, 1910, conjours images of being in a helicopter and sweeping over hills, rural meadows, flocks of livestock, the majestic countryside...
Some rather typical Victorian elements, (mirrored in visual art of the time) making the emotions ebb and flow, plenty of ‘uncertain awakening and innocence’. I expect it’ll crescendo in due course... [13m, this is the lull before the final storm eh?]. .... nope!, what a surprise, the final storm never came.
Thanks interesting, I’m somewhat familiar with the piece, but have never heard it whole or considered it much.


Brah:> Composed in the early 1900s and based on a <1-minute hymn written some 450 years earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVVRHjQ5Vd4

Me: [‘Thomas Tallis - Why fumth in fight’]
The compositional structure of such Early Music is usually so strong I can’t help fall for it.... lovely Smile


Brah:> Too unique in compositional and orchestral arrangement to describe here, Wiki does a good job of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_ ... mas_Tallis
This guy did a cool synthesizer version of the original hymn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYT6UY8w0f4#t=0m22s
(in the comments for this: Fantastic! Would love to see what you'll do with your arrangement for Barber's "Adagio For Strings")


Me: > Interesting, but I hoped for something of a little more modern interpretation. That doesn’t seem far from the original.


Brah:> Once you've heard the Fantasia you might want to see (I love these things) the actual score move through the piece, showing the separate sub-orchestras as they play simultaneously, and, at the start includes the original hymn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ctkdCYzPQ

Me: > Wow, now that an interesting way of considering it. I used to be able to read music as a child, but never much considered it since. Scrolling through the score across all parts like that, whilst the music plays behind is really thought provoking. Thanks for that. Some is way too complex, in totality, for me to get but I think I see the major thematic shifts; tides ‘across the parts’. In a way it’s like hearing a foreign language and seeing the scrolling text beneath; each helps you make better sense of the whole.
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sun, 08 May 2016 5:38 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBva-z1AsGk
The Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter Live Pop Go The Sixites 1969'

[Very interesting to me to see this small studio-live version....
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Postby Brah » Sun, 08 May 2016 2:11 pm

Was waiting for feedback on the Vaughn Williams / Tallis before posting this. I probably won't do any more Classical than this (unless promoted to, and I am not an expert).

Too much Classical music out there to know it all or what is good, this is arguably one (and also another Classical Music 101 piece).

Saint Saëns Symphony No 3 in C minor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_EDzHRY7M

On its own, a nice, listenable and memorable piece, plus a cool Deep Purple / John Lord-ish Organ blasting in at 28:15.

I didn't feel it as much on this recording as I do with the CD version I have, but:

The lowest pedal notes of both the Poco Adagio and the Maestoso, played on the organ, are of almost inaudibly low frequency. When experienced live in a concert hall equipped with a large concert organ with 32-foot pedal stops (e.g. the Royal Albert Hall Organ) these notes are very dramatic and give a deeply impressive aural experience.

Plus, the melody at 28:49 may be familiar to some (it appeared in a popular movie a few years back, turned into a Reggae pop song), but hear the original first and see if you can guess it.

If not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=353im7EvyAw#t=3m32s
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Postby JR8 » Mon, 09 May 2016 3:47 am

O-M-G, I didn't see that coming :-D
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Postby x9200 » Mon, 09 May 2016 10:22 am

Yeah, Babe, I mean Saint Saëns rules. Took me some googling to reversely engineer this one, starting from Babe of course.

Brah wrote:Composed in the early 1900s and based on a <1-minute hymn written some 450 years earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVVRHjQ5Vd4

This one almost feels like with the ending chords Ian Anderson should take over with his flute.

Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet, No 13 Dance of the Knights
https://youtu.be/Z_hOR50u7ek

In classical music I very often like the orchestral performance over the actual music. I mean, I can go to a hall/theater and listen to it even if I consider the music average but if the performance is good, the richness of the orchestral instruments (esp. if this is like a symphonic orchestra) makes it still a fulfilling experience.

Talking about Babe, probably it is going to be seen as ABBish but for this common fusion or inclination to orchestral performance with the “ease to listen” I found interesting a lot of soundtracks.

James Horner, A Kaleidoscope of Mathematics
https://youtu.be/1XnIfEAQiFE

John Powell, The Fire Truck
https://youtu.be/QcyZ_VnLEgw

Stephen Endelman - Hustle & Bustle
https://youtu.be/MYSgfCUiamU

Alexandre Desplat, The Ghost Writer
https://youtu.be/Nct3Ovn4saw?list=PL45B325DEB4735701

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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 10 May 2016 3:51 am

That Prokofiev piece always conjoured for me images of a 'lumbering relentless Soviet war machine'. It still does, that menace. Ironic (as you title it) it's part of a suite titled Romeo and Juliet.

Brah: <i>I mean, I can go to a hall/theater and listen to it even if I consider the music average but if the performance is good, the richness of the orchestral instruments (esp. if this is like a symphonic orchestra) makes it still a fulfilling experience. </i>

Interesting; I'm the same with visual art. I don't necessarily need to like or even actively enjoy the works I've gone to see, but I do enjoy feeling I understand what the artists are trying to say. In a way it's how I respond to it that's the point (isn't it? :)). In the same way when an artist can 'propose' an unspoken thought via their work, and I agree with it and understand the couching of it, it can be quite a powerful thing. Perhaps it's the same with music.

That theme to 'The Fire Truck' reminds me of a cross between Rambo[1] and the Magnificent Seven.
'The Englishman'. Sounds like a string quartet/+. Rope in the Americans with some Gaelic sounding pipes.
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I'd never considered 'film theme' music as a genre... it's really very different and quite strange on the ear. Some of it makes Prokofiev seem a pretty straight-forward proposition ;)
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Postby kaseyma » Tue, 10 May 2016 10:29 am

rajagainstthemachine wrote:Wishbone Ash - the three below are my favourites, the whole album is a must have, every song on that album is a gem.


I feel the same way about the whole album.
My 2 favourites are at the end of the album.
The interplay of two guitars weaving around each other is mesmerising.
"Warrior" builds to a crescendo and the "Throw Down the Sword" brings you back to a peaceful calm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5X_Dd_ ... G&hl=en-GB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LByiVlc6czA
This is one of my favourite albums of all time.


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