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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Mon, 04 May 2015 9:09 pm

JR8 wrote:
Brah wrote:At that time, African rhythms were the thing - Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Paul Simon, and many others. Level 42 was not the fretless sound, you may be referring to Paul Young The Thompson Twins, Japan, and a few others.


I always preferred a dose of Africa from an authentic source, King Sunny Ade, or at least via reggae.

African rhythms and King Crimson? Haven't noticed. They always remind me of halcyon youth, lying in a meadow under the sun, more pastoral and melancholy, than downtown Kinshasa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKz5pgARcg - King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind

Peter Gabriel. Wasn't he ex-Genesis or similar. Funny how tribal it gets. He's 98% off-radar. But I'd wager no one could even name a Genesis song these days; curious considering they were a '''supergroup''' of their day.
Paul Simon. NY Jewish old man went to Africa for a week, then redefined himself by it, and was thence yelling his self-appointed, and self-anointed African'ness in your face. A bit like Madonna finding some new calling. Yawn, well yer know some of us have been too, and this pastiche from someone who spent a weekend there. [Refer also the ghastly: Toto: 'Africa' - I understand none of the band have even yer know actually been lol].



Peter Gabriel is ex-Genesis. IMHO Genesis was as good or better without him, and I can name any number of their brilliant works up to the point they sold out to become the Phil Collins Pop Machine, at which point I switched off. Prog was pretty much dead by that point anyway.

His forays into African rhythms were more on the World Beat side than a lot of other acts doing the Afican thing at the time, but it's an unfair comparison to bring King Sunny Ade (I had the same album as you, and taped my brother's albums, he had a few others) as Gabriel, who I was never a huge fan of, was more intentionally derivative than striving for any kind of cultural authenticity. I'd say the same about Paul Simon.

SImon's Graceland was like much of his work and a very accomplished offering, but I much preferred the next album, The Rhythm of the Saints, which was a mix of Afro- and South American rhythms.

These are not great examples.
Kiss Of Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPC7M6lQuE

Biko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncVyxQRw70

King Crimson on the other hand, who I cut my teeth on in their Greg Lake and John Wetton eras, in their fourth of many incarnations, took it a few levels deeper musically, but as well were more derivative than authentic, and being some of the better musicians on the planet, brought their own thing to that evolving sub-genre into a series of three albums, the best being the first and very excellent Discipline.

Discipline - whole album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dZNzXylVE

You won't find me commenting on Toto or Madonna, not my kind of thing.
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Mon, 04 May 2015 9:11 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmrfgj0MZI
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Mon, 04 May 2015 9:43 pm

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Brah wrote:Level 42 was not the fretless sound, you may be referring to Paul Young The Thompson Twins, Japan, and a few others.


Interesting to see a group who are bass-led, and bass-dominated; where the bass is the 'lead-instrument'. You're right I think I'm perhaps confusing fretless with slapping, the result of both being quite a distinctive motif sound.

There were a few of those, many are very 80s. For the latter, mostly obvious ones:

Paul Young - Come Back And Stay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-JYJzzesc

Don Henley - The Boys of Summer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh4nVj8g4hg

XTC - Senses Working Overtime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGfKu6_loI

Free - All Right Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMFORx8uO8

Sting - Englishman In New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk

Paul Simon - Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I_T3XvzPaM#t=0m56s

Gary Numan - Slow car to china
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmPmeN0wexw

For slapping, again many, will do separately.
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Re: Music

Postby LaoDan » Tue, 05 May 2015 5:31 pm

made it, guitars made it just fine!

now, where can I buy cheep beer?

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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Tue, 05 May 2015 6:52 pm

For me one of the more memorable exemplars of a 'bass slapping' style was perhaps Level-42.
Example: 'Level 42 - Bass Guitar Solo by Mark King live 1989'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl= ... vu_29ST35M
[vid quality is poor, but audio is fine. The 'slapping starts' at 01.45mins].

Why do you think he used to strap his gittar so high.... to slap the strings square on, vs plucking with a downward pointing extended arm/hand in the more usual non-slapping style? Hmmm.

Can't say I've seen many other bassists strap their gittar so high. Either way it's a style I associate with jazz-funk. Nice links in your previous btw.... some warm memories... :)
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Postby JR8 » Tue, 05 May 2015 7:18 pm

LaoDan wrote:made it, guitars made it just fine!
now, where can I buy cheep beer?


Good stuff, hope you're settling in.
re: beer. Either do a board search on it, or start a new topic in the appropriate sub-forum ('Staying, Living in Singapore'?). Actually the latter is probably a good idea, as it seems to be a perpetual question, and the situation evolves and changes.

Recent things I looked at are: RedMart - https://redmart.com/alcohol/beer
There also was is/was some form of commercial Cash-and carry outlet (NTUC?) over somewhere like West Jurong.
Then there might be: There is meant to be some small cash and carry between 'Mustafa' (the incredible Indian emporium on Serangoon Road), on the south side, and circa Hindoo Road, perhaps between 100-200m to the west. I've been down that strip via 'Google Street View' but it's not clear which unit it is. When I did know (I think the Mod: 'SundayMorningStaple' might know the shop name), and looked into they did not seem to have a website...

Conclusion so far, it's not a simple question.

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If interested why not cut-and-paste the above into a new topic, and see where we get? :)
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Tue, 05 May 2015 10:17 pm

JR8 wrote:For me one of the more memorable exemplars of a 'bass slapping' style was perhaps Level-42.
Example: 'Level 42 - Bass Guitar Solo by Mark King live 1989'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl= ... vu_29ST35M
[vid quality is poor, but audio is fine. The 'slapping starts' at 01.45mins].

Why do you think he used to strap his gittar so high.... to slap the strings square on, vs plucking with a downward pointing extended arm/hand in the more usual non-slapping style? Hmmm.

Can't say I've seen many other bassists strap their gittar so high. Either way it's a style I associate with jazz-funk. Nice links in your previous btw.... some warm memories... :)

Those who wear their basses high are typically Fusion players who go for a perched attack with their fingers, or Funk slap players for the hand position across the strings and the ergonomics of that kind of movement.

Mark King was schooled by the Stanley Clarke and Louis Johnson schools of bass, and took it to his own level, no pun intended, and is one of those rare and remarkable players like Paul McCartney, also a very accomplished player, who can sing and very well while they play.

Stanley Clarke - Hell broke loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRQ2E0Fqu3Q

The Brothers Johnson - Get The Funk Out Ma' Face/Stomp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnRu8f67iQ8
Around 7:00

More Louis, because he's the master
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxXFeEIi1Q

Marcus Miller also comes to mind
Run For Cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXYjo5-UaTY

and Scott Ambush
Spyro Gyra - The Deep End
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmiK9skef3s
around 4:20

Three of the best (this group toured Singapore a few years ago, killer concert) SMV -- Stanley Clarke & Marcus Miller & Victor Wooten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BkCp4KfZ0


But what started it all - Larry Graham
Thank you / Sly & the Family Stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ptrc2cWRxUt#t=2m40s

Those who don't know these guys cite Flea as a slapper, but I consider him a hack. The guy in Primus as well, though not a hack, I never cared for his style.

The origins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9othLKBF13U
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Sun, 10 May 2015 5:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KI_UM-PchQ - Ben Lapps - Phunkdified

This might change the way you think about how an acoustic guitar gets played - just incredible :-O
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Mon, 11 May 2015 8:49 am

And if you like that, you might like this

Rodrigo Y Gabriela - Montreux Jazz Festival 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b51flGFQWA
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Wed, 13 May 2015 11:03 am

And indeed I did, very interesting.
What struck me as well, was despite the complex playing, I never heard them hit one duff chord.
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Wed, 13 May 2015 3:46 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rerhYW31K9I
'Come, Ye Sons of Art' Birthday Ode for Queen Mary - Henry Purcell (part I) [1694].

Give it a while to get going, it is 300 years old :)
When it does, it reminds me so much where much Western musical song structure derives from.
Really very little has changed, apart from back then maybe songs being split into more formal and denoted sections, than merged into a single whole.

By 5:40 it is slowly getting cranked up, and.... just glorious! :-D


--- I wonder if I could K-box any of those vocal parts.... lol....
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Re: Music

Postby Brah » Wed, 13 May 2015 7:59 pm

This one was new to me though not of course the composer.

I listen to an inordinate amount of that period of music daily, though more of the Italian and German variety and strictly instrumental.

There could be a separate thread on this alone.

It has takes years of study and exploration to find the ones I have repeat listens of, and those are right up there with anything contemporary I like.
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Postby JR8 » Wed, 13 May 2015 8:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OOvW3shNmI
Tielman Susato (1510/15 - 1570) - Allemande from Danserye - Crumhorn Consort

:) [I love the sound of the crumhorn]

-adds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFePC4v ... mI&index=3


Even through a PC, this is an immaculate recording: > quite sublime...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Up3cZa0wI
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Re: Music

Postby JR8 » Fri, 15 May 2015 10:57 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d9XYfMXAjc
"Gimme Shelter" by The Rolling Stones (iTunes)
[Ironic how THAT song, and THAT film got paired together.... ]


- alt version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNlebUDb8U
UH-1 "Huey" Helicopter in Vietnam - Rolling Stones "Gimme Shelter" HD
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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 15 May 2015 12:52 pm

Proclaimers - 500 miles just come on radio ....

Classic!!
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