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Postby JR8 » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 9:40 pm

x9200 wrote:What does?
For me any art related topic requires profound knowledge on the subject or it will simply be banal. How to discuss things like beauty even if it comes from sophistication? It can be liked or not only unless you are an artist (in the true sense of this word) and can express yourself on a similar level to the creation you want to discuss. I don't have the knowledge not to mention the later so I can only exchange some bio-/disco- information (what I don't normally do). More than such discussion I found useful just to listen to a favorite Internet radio, picking up the songs I like and exploring further the artists via youtube or similar.


Well the trouble with just reeling of song names is that it would often require me to do to a youtube search to try and find them. As I have not heard of many of the songs in the other topic it is rather likely I'm not going to like them either (too high a risk of them being this weeks winner or loser of Pop Idol). Also as I haven't heard of many of the posters on that topic I have no idea of their nationality or age... which of course makes a difference to their likely taste. Hence, not a very productive use of time.

I agree that writing a critique of a song or band can be banal. But I also know that I have friends who send me links to some of the most unexpected things that give great pleasure. Here is one example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDHzK3Xe7Yw
Tractor song.

Now I'd never heard anything like that before, and it still makes me smile when I am reminded of it. Plus the musicians are very accomplished.

So you see when I described that Funkadelic track as like Shine on you crazy diamond meets John Lee Hooker. People who like either of the latter might like the former and give the link I posted a go, and they might smile when they hear why I picked those references. All that and no expertise required from either participant :)

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:11 pm

I love the fact that whoever put Shayne Ward - one of the X-factor winners in the U.K - completely killed that thread!!

Strewth, I had thought he was a cricketer

You mean like Britney Spears and Girls Aloud??!!

Oooh you better stop that you’re making my gusset damp!

Didn't have you down for a death metal fan Delia. I thought you'd fall into the rock generation - The Who, Sex Pistols, Stones, maybe a little bit of Dylan, Joe Cocker, Pink Floyd also up there on your preferences!!

I am trying hard not to pigeon-hole myself but yes I like all you mention (except Dylan).

Reminds of sitting at a communal dining table in a restaurant a year or so ago. Opposite were two American students.

Student A. ‘Have you seen Bob Dylan recently?
Student B. ‘No I haven’t, why?’
Student A. ‘I saw him last week and it’s like he really can’t sing!’

I couldn’t help smile to myself, as he really couldn’t sing the time I saw him play either, at Hyde Park c. 20 years previously!



any sigue sigue sputnik?

They were a strange lot! I remember disliking them because they tried too hard to shock for the sake of it, instead of having much talent

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Postby poodlek » Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:43 pm

This brought me to tears the first time I heard it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u5x9pdInTU

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:09 am

JR8 wrote:Well the trouble with just reeling of song names is that it would often require me to do to a youtube search to try and find them. As I have not heard of many of the songs in the other topic it is rather likely I'm not going to like them either (too high a risk of them being this weeks winner or loser of Pop Idol). Also as I haven't heard of many of the posters on that topic I have no idea of their nationality or age... which of course makes a difference to their likely taste. Hence, not a very productive use of time.

I completely agree with the above, but this is exactly what should be expected from the music related topics in places like this one.

I agree that writing a critique of a song or band can be banal. But I also know that I have friends who send me links to some of the most

Even not a critique, just exchanging some thoughts beyond the name/info exchange. It is possible but the potential is very limited.

unexpected things that give great pleasure. Here is one example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDHzK3Xe7Yw
Tractor song.

Now I'd never heard anything like that before, and it still makes me smile when I am reminded of it. Plus the musicians are very accomplished.

Friends will send it to you anyway. They don't need a discussion board with a separate topics for this. My point is, for the reasons you mentioned such topics makes no too much sense in a places like this one - you regretted not having them around. IMHO lack of them indicates maturity (well, lets not go too far with this) of the forum regulars.

So you see when I described that Funkadelic track as like Shine on you crazy diamond meets John Lee Hooker. People who like either of the latter might like the former and give the link I posted a go, and they might smile when they hear why I picked those references. All that and no expertise required from either participant :)

Correct, but this is an exchange of some info rather than a discussion. It only differs from the earlier link by the group of people that is better selected but this also is a limiting factor - It (such topic) has no power to sustain itself for any longer time at least spontaneously.
I think I am making it too complicated - it is normal you have no music topics on such boards :)


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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:58 pm

x9200, before you step too far into the gooey brown stuff, maybe you need to wander through the Airline and Plastic Surgery forums before you start talking about this board "maturity"? :lol:

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 27 Jun 2011 1:12 pm

I have never considered them a "mental" part of this forum and normally they do not mix (with the rest) very well.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 27 Jun 2011 1:32 pm

I've always considered them "Mental"! :o

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Postby x9200 » Mon, 27 Jun 2011 2:35 pm

:) Anyway, it's like a space rented out in a building built for some different types activities. It generates lots of traffic = advertising, being the reason (my guess, could be also some historical ones) why it is tolerated.

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 28 Jun 2011 4:32 am

x9200 wrote:Correct, but this is an exchange of some info rather than a discussion. It only differs from the earlier link by the group of people that is better selected but this also is a limiting factor - It (such topic) has no power to sustain itself for any longer time at least spontaneously.
I think I am making it too complicated - it is normal you have no music topics on such boards :)

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Hi X9, I'm going to have to keep it brief.

Yes I see your point. Perhaps the participants on this forum vary so much in age, race etc. that a music discussion thread cannot be sustained. I've seen it done elsewhere though... in fact I started one on a Scuba Diving forum of a club in Egypt and it ended up as one of their longest ever threads (certainly 1000+ posts). But, maybe the people there were more similar in outlook/profile, and certainly quite a few knew each other personally as well.

No worries, no matter.

p.s. So did you like the Tractor Song and/or Maggot Brain? :)

Rock on!

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 29 Jun 2011 8:31 am

JR8 wrote:p.s. So did you like the Tractor Song and/or Maggot Brain? :)
Rock on!

The first one - yes, l like it very much; Maggot Brain I like but it is a bit overcooked for my taste - I don't like the play with the channels (leading guitar going from normal to mute in L channel kind of chaotic way) and the vocals in the later part. Besides, I think they lose a note or two (how do you say it in English?) in some places :P. I checked out some other songs of them and prefer them instrumental :)

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 29 Jun 2011 6:26 pm

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JR8 wrote:p.s. So did you like the Tractor Song and/or Maggot Brain? :)
Rock on!

The first one - yes, l like it very much; Maggot Brain I like but it is a bit overcooked for my taste - I don't like the play with the channels (leading guitar going from normal to mute in L channel kind of chaotic way) and the vocals in the later part. Besides, I think they lose a note or two (how do you say it in English?) in some places :P. I checked out some other songs of them and prefer them instrumental :)


Nice! :) You know using an old tractor in place of percussion has it's own genre, apparently :o! You can find other examples on Youtube. They seem to mostly eminate from Switzerland and Scandinavia.

I think the thing with Maggot Brain is that it has to be considered in the context of the era (I believe it was '73). Funkadelic were a seriously OTT band even for that era lol. That's why when my friend said she saw them live a few weeks ago I was like 'They're still alive!!!? :o '.

I wonder if a band that performs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTVH41QucDU Funkadelic: One Nation Under A Groove, Part 1 -
is capable of not overcooking things lol. I sent the Maggot Brain link to a friend of mine, a noted guitarist from that era and his one line response was 'I think they wrote that over more than a cup of tea'.

The channel dropping out, I thought it was just a poor version on Youtube rather than intentional - don't know. Your other comments are thought provoking. I'll go back and listen again with them in mind.

Cheers!

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 29 Jun 2011 7:39 pm

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I don't find the vocals coming in at the end intrusive (in fact I had to listen again after your comment to be aware that there was a vocal element, beyond the intro).

I don't know what you think, but it would not surprise me if the album is similar to some progressive rock albums of the era, where the album as a whole is more than the sum of it's individual tracks (aka concept album), and you can get a narrator leading you though it. Like Zappa?

Don't know! But now you have me wanting to buy the album to find out :)

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 29 Jun 2011 9:02 pm

Speaking of Zappa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8415wWqU4
zappa paris 1980 joe's garage



- Catholic Girls next! :)

Edit to add (sorry couldn't resist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIVLB4Ss2g
Frank Zappa - Catholic Girls
(There is no decent live version so this is from the album)

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 30 Jun 2011 8:40 am

JR8 wrote:X9
I don't find the vocals coming in at the end intrusive (in fact I had to listen again after your comment to be aware that there was a vocal element, beyond the intro).

Somehow does not fit but probably it is purely subjective.

I don't know what you think, but it would not surprise me if the album is similar to some progressive rock albums of the era, where the album as a whole is more than the sum of it's individual tracks (aka concept album), and you can get a narrator leading you though it. Like Zappa?

I actually like it because it is a bit like progressive rock and jazz... long with elements of improvisation (or so it appears) :) The combination of the guitar that sounds more into metal and the calm background is also very nice. I am not against vocals in such music in general and it could be that this is a part of a bigger picture but I am not that attracted to try to verify it at this moment :)


Don't know! But now you have me wanting to buy the album to find out :)

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Postby JR8 » Thu, 30 Jun 2011 6:28 pm

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Somehow does not fit but probably it is purely subjective.

Yeah maybe so, I find it kinda soothing within the context, plus it is only two lines :)

I actually like it because it is a bit like progressive rock and jazz... long with elements of improvisation (or so it appears) :)

It is interesting isn't it. In that you have the solid 'sympathetique' 4 chord main structure that is always attractive on the ear. Then you have the guitar, improvising as you say I'm sure, hell he has 10 minutes, that spirals around and around it.


The combination of the guitar that sounds more into metal and the calm background is also very nice.

Exactly, it is an interesting juxtaposition. Some of the gittar at 6-7 minutes is like deep space exploration. Dangerous but nice :)


I am not against vocals in such music in general and it could be that this is a part of a bigger picture but I am not that attracted to try to verify it at this moment :)

Maybe I'll let you know then :)

p.s. You're right the gittar from 7.55 onwards is metal (proto-metal? lol), metal backed backed by a lullaby :)



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