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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 2:36 pm

x9200 wrote:My latest discovery is Moby. I have just bought his, I believe, close to complete discography and I like a lot from it, plus my 3.5yo listens now to his "Lift me up" in a loop.

http://youtu.be/FAYHTES4whs
http://youtu.be/5iJ6mLb8r00
http://youtu.be/rM--0MqS60k


That first track 'Porcelain' is right from when I first heard of him, and bought a CD.

The track (and indeed that album) was used as the backing for a lot of SCUBA-dive videos, that you might have made of you and your group whilst on holiday. It has the whole ethereal inner/outer space thing going on...
Like... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdYEF6AhAss 'Dakuwaqa's Dream - Scuba Diving in Fiji'

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 5:22 pm

He is very diversified, starting from the pieces like Porcelain and other on that album (Play) with probably a frequent denominator of obsessively repeated phrases (both vocals and melodic), i.e.

Honey, http://youtu.be/8d9SgRtEkBo?list=PL92E00B215CD469CD

to the mentioned ethereal ones like

Hymn, http://youtu.be/p4KqVaNtnhY?list=PLDC80462CEDF27C09.

He is this sort of artist who has some songs recognizable probably by everybody but with no link to the name. I learned about him for the first time watching a DVD form the Jools Holland's programme.

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 5:36 pm

Oh, and he is behind the soundtracks to all the Bourne movies:
http://youtu.be/Au-v2RS0mJQ

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 8:14 pm

x9200 wrote:He is very diversified, starting from the pieces like Porcelain and other on that album (Play) with probably a frequent denominator of obsessively repeated phrases (both vocals and melodic), i.e. Honey, http://youtu.be/8d9SgRtEkBo?list=PL92E00B215CD469CD


I might be remembering something completely different but wasn't that sampled from a slavery-era song?

x9200 wrote:to the mentioned ethereal ones like
Hymn, http://youtu.be/p4KqVaNtnhY?list=PLDC80462CEDF27C09.


Interesting it starts out like 'Richard Clayderman'.... who then goes for a bit of ambient house over in Ibiza. You can see how this sort of composition (4-chord ambient electronica) has a ready market in TV advertising etc.
.... the follow-on track 'Feeling so real' reminds me of early Prodigy, and the whole Tokyo 'Avex Rave' scene and sound...


x9200 wrote:He is this sort of artist who has some songs recognizable probably by everybody but with no link to the name. I learned about him for the first time watching a DVD form the Jools Holland's programme.


Just leaving a couple of your links running in the background, and they're cycling through whole albums. He was (is) highly diverse. Dance, ambient, 'Richard Clayderman' hehe... to, well almost techno... interesting


x9200 wrote:Oh, and he is behind the soundtracks to all the Bourne movies:
http://youtu.be/Au-v2RS0mJQ


It's like he reinvented himself all over again. This reminds me rather of the 'Madchester Scene' (Stone Roses, Oasis, Supergrass, Verve etc). The first time I heard him I just presumed he was a Brit, and probably of the Madchester Scene. I was gobsmacked to be told be was American, as 'Americans don't produce music like that do they!'. Similar with how looong ago when I first heard Metallica I really thought they were Swedish.

... Oh and the Red Hot Chili Peppers (back in 1992) for some reason I had it branded into my head that they came from Bristol, UK. So much so that when they were introduced on TV as a CA/US band I laughed out loud, even days later I refused to accept they were not from Bristol! :-D

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 9:28 pm

Here is another reinvention:
http://youtu.be/yXjy72SXywI
(Last Night)

House-electronic?

Funny, I also earlier thought he was British. I can not make any formal assignment but I have this deviation that most of the music I listen to is British (with the exception of PR being more diversified) so the fact that I like his music indicates high likelihood of him being British. Maybe he still is, but not aware of it.

RE: Red Hot Chilli Papers, I need to explore them more systematically. Some of their stuff I just love:
http://youtu.be/v-nNksBWxNI
(Desecration Smile)

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Postby x9200 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:17 pm

JR8 wrote:
x9200 wrote:He is very diversified, starting from the pieces like Porcelain and other on that album (Play) with probably a frequent denominator of obsessively repeated phrases (both vocals and melodic), i.e. Honey, http://youtu.be/8d9SgRtEkBo?list=PL92E00B215CD469CD


I might be remembering something completely different but wasn't that sampled from a slavery-era song?

I didn't think about it. Sounds pretty convincing. Like tribal dances aiming at pushing the dancers into a trance state.

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:37 pm

x9200 wrote:I didn't think about it. Sounds pretty convincing. Like tribal dances aiming at pushing the dancers into a trance state.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTkxHboqRR8
Negro Work Songs & Calls - Early In The Mornin'.wmv
...'Between years 1933-1959 Alan Lomax recorded black inmates singing on chaingang.' ....

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:46 pm

x9200 wrote:RE: Red Hot Chilli Papers, I need to explore them more systematically. Some of their stuff I just love:
http://youtu.be/v-nNksBWxNI
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Give me a couple of beers and you could probably persuade me that was written by Neil Young/ with Iggy Pop doing the styling.

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:06 pm

x9200 wrote:Here is another reinvention:
http://youtu.be/yXjy72SXywI
(Last Night)
House-electronic?

Funny, I also earlier thought he was British. I can not make any formal assignment but I have this deviation that most of the music I listen to is British (with the exception of PR being more diversified) so the fact that I like his music indicates high likelihood of him being British. Maybe he still is, but not aware of it.


Nice, I'm going to get into this very easily, so thanks for posting.
What would you call it, no idea. But it brings up visuals of Warhol, Haring, Koons... so maybe 'Electronica pop-art' .... ?

References to Donna Summer... etc, and I'm only in track #2.

Onwards ho!


p.s. Love the dorky Binatone Stylophone.
Check it out ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th2-66-6yXs
... a friend had one.... brilliant! :lol:


Reminds me of 'Kids' - by MGMT [skip right to 1:05]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI


... they do it live too lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrskHYRfC0c
'MGMT - Kids at Glastonbury 2014

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Postby Brah » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:06 pm

I'm kinda surprised my posts earlier today didn't get some heated responses.

I didn't post the music I was referring to for raja yet but will later.

Meanwhile will check out some Moby

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:20 pm

Eesh, hate that. Sometimes the chat just rolls on from a single link given that the rest are left behind.

Can you relink your OP and we can start gain :)?

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Postby Mi Amigo » Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:34 am

Brah wrote:But then I saw on your list Katrina and The Waves - that is a place to which I cannot go. I was scarred for life from the first time I heard whatever her nauseating hit was. It ranks in the my top five things that cannot be unheard. Even Abba is more tolerable, and I can't believe I just wrote that.

Hahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that's not the first time I've seen this kind of reaction when I've mentioned Katrina and The Waves. They did become extremely poppy in later years (e.g. I don't think I've ever knowingly listened to their Eurovision Song Contest entry). But I have a soft spot for them because they were the first band I took my (now) wife to see when she originally came to London. Back then they were a 'proper' pub rock band playing various seedy boozers and clubs and they had a bit of a cult following in their early days - not least because of their guitarist Kimberley Rew, formerly of the Soft Boys:

The Soft Boys - Old Pervert

In fact it was through a couple of mates who'd known Kimberley at Cambridge that I found out about his 'new' band. He wrote Going Down To Liverpool (later covered by the Bangles), which personally I thought was a good pop song. Although perhaps that's the one you found so distasteful (one man's meat is another man's poison and all that). :twisted:

Here's an example of some early material by the Waves (as they were originally known):

The Waves - A. - The Nightmare / B. - Hey, War Pig! - Aramageddon 7" Single - 1982

I realise I may not have convinced you about their pedigree, but I did enjoy reliving some 1980s memories nonetheless. :cool:
Be careful what you wish for

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Postby Mi Amigo » Sun, 17 Aug 2014 1:06 am

Anyway... my main point was that (IMO not all 'pop' music is bad, and nowadays I can appreciate a well put together pop single 'package' (unlike in my younger years when I was much more militant about what was 'good' and what wasn't.

Brah, I think you're right about the late 60s and early 70s as being the heyday of the (quality) pop singles. A couple of examples that spring to mind:

Small Faces - Tin Soldier

and I just LOVE the opening bars of this:

The O'Jays - Back Stabbers

And I can't hear that without thinking of this:

The O'Jays - For the love of money
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Postby maneo » Sun, 17 Aug 2014 5:20 am

JR8 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEC4TZsy-Y
Lou Reed - Perfect Day

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When your favourite bands/musicians start dying, their songs get more poignant...

Yes, they do, and this is one of my favourites, too.
Like you said a year ago, "less really can be more."

Lou Reed's Transformer was one of the great albums.
Helping to shape it as co-producer was David Bowie, who's had a few iconic songs of his own:

David Bowie - "Changes" (Live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMQ0Ryy01yE

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:33 am

Brah wrote:>>>I'm kinda surprised my posts earlier today didn't get some heated responses.

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I read that at the time, but don’t type fast enough to ever have the time for a reply that does it justice!


>> Until recently raja had Megageth as his avatar. and they fall into a category of bands I tend to lump together, ignorantly don't know really anything about, and are in a genre of music which is odd that I am not a huge fan of, mostly because I never really listened to them enough to have a valid opinion
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That’s an interesting comment. How much is ‘enough’ to arrive at a valid opinion? I can sometimes take a permanent dislike to a track/band in under 10 seconds. Sometimes less, i.e. I just know I’m NEVER going to like anything by Miley Cyrus Smile


>> I / we were pretty wary of newcomers. We called them "no-talents", as they weren't quite the musicians or composers of their predecessors. And we were both musicians and fans of those who could play stuff we couldn't or struggled to, whereas many of the newcomer/no-talents played stuff hard, fast and/or loud, but not all that well.

Same same but different. There was an era, roughly 72-76 where music became incredibly vain and self-indulgent. Concept albums. 20 minute tracks called silly things like ‘Opus variation X11b’. The ‘scene’ being led by by then aging hippies, people who by then had progressed on to Yes and Supertramp (and Genesis, and and and... ). The scene got unceremoniously reclaimed when punk broke. As a young teenager ‘72-76 felt like perpetually wondering a musical desert. There might well have been some good stuff out there but that wasn’t what was being broadcast on the few radio channels of the day (just one example: I hadn’t even heard of Focus until I house-shared with a mature post-grad, and that was 1983, 10 years after the event, and post-punk. I didn’t really get into the whole prog-rock then+ either). So the arrival of punk was a complete God-send; an ‘at ‘kin last!!!’ moment.

re: your “no talents”


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