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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:17 pm

prashanna wrote:My wife's aunt's workplace had a number of them working for 6 years.. All of them had to be laid off and sent back ASAP.. Another case, my Singaporean friend's workplace too.. 3 of them were forced to quit and sent back as well.. And to be clear, none of them had done anything wrong or broken any law...


Sounds funny .. did you really see the letter from MOM ?? The only thing I have been seeing for the past 2 year or so is MOM tightening the screws on service staff, especially those with not-so-known qualifications .. and when the passes come up for renewal, reject the passes .. never heard of MOM kicking people out .. unless the employer did so .. and even then, MOM insists that the employer serve the staff a one month notice ..

And for anybody being thrown out by MOM, you better get the facts right .. whether the employer blamed the MOM as an excuse to rid his staff .. And of course, when I was forced to quit when my employer filed for Insolvency, I never told anybody that my employer has cashed in and calling in the liquidators - to anybody who asked, I just told that my employer fired me .. and he was nuts ..

As I write this, a friend just was telling me that he has got Work pass for 4 nepalis, to operate his new North Indian restaurant, due to start work in a months' time ..

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Postby prashanna » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:34 pm

Well then thats good news.. Atleast for my ears... But I still don't get how they could lay off those guys without allowing the notice period...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:16 pm

They just refuse to renew the work permits at renewal times. And they have been laying off heaps of Indians & Bengali's & Burmese as well, not just Nepalese.

Oh, one other thing, there was absolutely no sarcasm in my other post. I was calling it as I see it based on your writing here and on your blog. If you don't want the world to know about these things, then why the 'ell did you write about them on a blog that anyone can read?

I'm merely stating facts. Sometimes facts can be brutal. Especially if the teller of those facts does not give ALL the necessary information.

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Postby prashanna » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:21 pm

I am ok with that.. I just didn't like that you wrote about my wife "not earning enough clams"... I am always open to opinions.. Just not when it involves my wife... She is struggling there without having anyone to take care of our kid....

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:28 pm

If she is a citizen, she needs to earn above a certain amount of money before she can sponsor you for an LTVP. This is common knowledge. I would suggest that you do some reading on the ICA website regarding this. Read some of the threads here and you will know this. You want answers, we are giving you answers based on the limited data set you are providing.

This is exactly why MOM is so hesitant to give permission for WP's to marry as they don't want anybody here who might end up a ward of the state. Unless she earns over a given dollar amount, they won't approve the sponsorship.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 14 Jun 2011 8:18 am

prashanna wrote:I am ok with that.. I just didn't like that you wrote about my wife "not earning enough clams"... I am always open to opinions.. Just not when it involves my wife... She is struggling there without having anyone to take care of our kid....


Calm down Prashanna, there was no malice in SMS statement . It is just a phrase. What SMS said is the core of the problem
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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:09 am

prashanna wrote:Well then thats good news.. Atleast for my ears... But I still don't get how they could lay off those guys without allowing the notice period...


I did some digging, and from the grapevine, those who got 'laid' off, are those who have been doing under-hand deals with the bosses, such as those who over-declare their pay and then do a contra .. ;)

So, when the boss says "GO" they got not much choice ..

Fortunately, the people I know in the F&B business have better moral fiber and steer clear of such stuff .. and even when they have been tempted by FT to over-declare and they charge back the balance, they have refused .. Lucky me .. :D

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Postby prashanna » Tue, 14 Jun 2011 3:30 pm

I just received an email from MOM after my appeal was transferred to them from PMO...
"We refer to your email dated 06 June 2011.

As advised by the officer-in-charge, you are not eligible to apply for a
work pass."

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 14 Jun 2011 3:47 pm

prashanna wrote:I just received an email from MOM after my appeal was transferred to them from PMO...
"We refer to your email dated 06 June 2011.

As advised by the officer-in-charge, you are not eligible to apply for a
work pass."


PMO - Prime Minister's office ??

What exactly did you try to do ??

You are supposed to incorporate the company, and then the employers of the company has to apply for the WP for you ..

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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 14 Jun 2011 8:19 pm

prashanna wrote:I just received an email from MOM after my appeal was transferred to them from PMO...
"We refer to your email dated 06 June 2011.

As advised by the officer-in-charge, you are not eligible to apply for a
work pass."


If investors and proposed managers are not Singaporean, you will need to file for an Entrepass.

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Postby prashanna » Wed, 15 Jun 2011 1:58 am

PMO - Prime Minister's office ??

What exactly did you try to do ??

You are supposed to incorporate the company, and then the employers of the company has to apply for the WP for you ..

Wasn't exactly an appeal.. I emailed them regarding the situation.. I can't migrate to Singapore because my SPass was rejected and the problem is that my wife and son can't migrate here too.. We do not have an Embassy or Consulate of Singapore in Nepal due to which our marriage certificate cannot be verified here... Asked them if they could advise something, but they transferred the case to MOM... Guess I only made a fool out of myself...

Still working on the incorporation of the company.. The investor only wants to "invest".. He doesn't want to come down to Singapore for the paperworks.. So trying to figure that out...
And I read on MOM website that Entrepass is not allowed for pubs..
So, for me to get an Employment pass, do I have to target a salary of $7K?

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Jun 2011 3:01 am

You sound like a flock of seagulls to me man. Heavens knows what scheme you are going to be following next, it's that random.

Writing to the Prime Minister, good idea, not!! What on earth were you thinking!?

How did you go from not being able to afford to fly to SG, and then 2 weeks later having to start a $350k pub and be on a $7k+ salary. It all appears so whimsical that I don't see this going anywhere to be honest...

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Postby ksl » Wed, 15 Jun 2011 3:33 am

Well I find it very odd in the first place, that a guy that had permission from MOM to get married to a Singapore citizen, is given the go ahead, they marry and have a child. Contributing to the population of Singapore

They are living the happy life has he does have a job at the hotel, and contributes to the care of his family.

Then MOM stops his S pass!

Now to me that is counter productive, and causing unnecessary hardship on all parties concerned there needs to be a very good explanation, or is someones head on the chopping block for making a blunder.

I can only express my sympathy and think you have had a raw deal, I just do not understand for one minute why they should break up this family deliberately.

He was already in Singapore working on an S pass, and living with his wife and child. Something is very very wrong, not to renew his S pass.

I just do not buy the fact that he didn't meet the eligibility requirement to remain in Singapore. Maybe he's slipped through a hole unintentionally for some reason or other.

Like he's a foreigner get rid of him and if that's the case they are working against the grain of populating Singapore with the right kind of people.

I think you mean your local MPO not PMO. I suggest you do not give up, but get your wife involved and take the free legal advice.

Her main question would be, why you was sent back, when you was living and supporting your family. This is not right at all! Unless there has been illegal activity going on between employees and employers.

It sends a very bad signal out to all Singapore citizens and foreigners too. Which is against Singapore's ethics of looking after family, and recruiting the right kind of Singaporean.
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Postby prashanna » Wed, 15 Jun 2011 3:35 am

You sound like a flock of seagulls to me man. Heavens knows what scheme you are going to be following next, it's that random.

Writing to the Prime Minister, good idea, not!! What on earth were you thinking!?

How did you go from not being able to afford to fly to SG, and then 2 weeks later having to start a $350k pub and be on a $7k+ salary. It all appears so whimsical that I don't see this going anywhere to be honest...


Sounds dramatic and unbelievable right? I know.. It does to me too.. The email was like almost 2 weeks back.. My wife had spoken to the PM.. He happens to lead AMK GRC which is my wife's address..

And 3 days back, this guy appeared out of nowhere and told me he wanted to invest in Singapore. We hadn't been in touch for almost 7 months.. He knows I worked in Singapore before which is why he contacted me.. But now, he is saying he hasn't made up his mind yet coz he does not want to go through the trouble of all the paper works.. Still trying to figure out a way since it could be my only chance. Hopefully I land the deal..
And about the flight tickets.. I wasn't lying... If I had enough for it, I would have already flown to Singapore to see my wife and kid.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 15 Jun 2011 3:55 am

ksl wrote:Well I find it very odd in the first place, that a guy that had permission from MOM to get married to a Singapore citizen, is given the go ahead, they marry and have a child. Contributing to the population of Singapore

They are living the happy life has he does have a job at the hotel, and contributes to the care of his family.

Then MOM stops his S pass!


@KSL, I would not tbe surprise by this sudden change of heart by MOM because of what has happened on the poll. Only yesterday I received a PM from a forumer. Done his NS and given up SG citizenship then on apply for EP and he go a Raw Deal
His EP was rejected and MOM questioned his decision on giving up SG citizenship and applying for EP although he has serve his NS duties. He was requested to explained in full details reasons of giving up citizenship.
Used to be OK going by this route but I think MOM and ICA has tighten the screw a little bit further. So all bets are off on this route too
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