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Postby richie303 » Fri, 10 Jun 2011 5:07 pm

oezcan kaplan wrote:Maturity is related to age as well and i suppose there are some employers they discriminate age but its something abstract case that means not all of them undertake this issue.

Experience comes with maturity!



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At the moment, I am a big fan of Singapore and would consider long term staying, PR may well be the way forward.

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 10 Jun 2011 5:16 pm

oezcan kaplan wrote:Experience comes with maturity!


At 532 years, he better have! :P

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 10 Jun 2011 6:03 pm

It never said it on the letter, but when it first was mooted, it was explained that that was it's primary purpose. Course that was before they started inviting every tom, dick & harry to take it up. I think the original purpose didn't get the initial response that they anticipated so they widened the scope. Now it would seem that they are no longer sending out those letter and are tightening it up again. With abuse comes the restrictions. The increase of 2% of the resident population of Indians was one of the reasons it has been tightened up again. Although, that was purely the fault of the gahmen, it's still FT's that are going to suffer.

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Fri, 10 Jun 2011 7:15 pm

Yes, as you mention its all clear what SMS indicates! :)

richie303 wrote:
oezcan kaplan wrote:Maturity is related to age as well and i suppose there are some employers they discriminate age but its something abstract case that means not all of them undertake this issue.

Experience comes with maturity!



SMS is 63..... 'nuff Said :P :cool: :cool:

I am absolutely not an abuser, I am currently contracting with the companies I work with, MOM were kind enough to see my worth to Singapore and deemed it sufficient for me to stay for a while! I have kids here and they are schooling, so it helps us settled whilst we decide if we want to be PR in the future.

At the moment, I am a big fan of Singapore and would consider long term staying, PR may well be the way forward.

(Is that sufficient to ensure MOM don't get upset? ;) )

All True.

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Fri, 10 Jun 2011 7:18 pm

at 532! :)

nakatago wrote:
oezcan kaplan wrote:Experience comes with maturity!


At 532 years, he better have! :P

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Postby bathad » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 1:15 am

In Japan age-discrimination at work still exists. If you are over 35, most large companies will not hire you. That applies to a
job market for experienced workers. In Japan they have two completely different job markets, say, markets for new graduates and for experienced workers. If you are a fresh new graduate from universuty and are over 25, most large companies will not hire you. Therefore, a lot of Ph.D students in Japan have a problem of getting jobs these days.

Japan's homeless face ageism
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1018/p07s01-woap.html

In Japan, however, not only the homeless but those over 35 have difficulty finding a job - especially if they are unmarried. Companies expect married men to work more strenuously, since husbands here are usually the sole breadwinners.

That's why most of the homeless are middle-aged or older single men - a unique aspect of the problem of homelessness in Japan, activists say.

"Most of the homeless are systematically eliminated from society," says Nakamura. Japan's homeless problem is attributed to "deeply rooted discrimination."

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Postby bathad » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 1:29 am

It is true that Ph.D.'s cannot find a job in Japan.

Ph. D.’s in Japan can’t find work: Little recognition for high expertise, says Mainichi Communications Survey

http://www.mutantfrog.com/2005/06/16/ge ... -in-japan/

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 2:47 am

I suppose we should seperate the topics according to regions!

The subject is here about singaporean environment.


bathad wrote:In Japan age-discrimination at work still exists. If you are over 35, most large companies will not hire you. That applies to a
job market for experienced workers. In Japan they have two completely different job markets, say, markets for new graduates and for experienced workers. If you are a fresh new graduate from universuty and are over 25, most large companies will not hire you. Therefore, a lot of Ph.D students in Japan have a problem of getting jobs these days.

Japan's homeless face ageism
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1018/p07s01-woap.html

In Japan, however, not only the homeless but those over 35 have difficulty finding a job - especially if they are unmarried. Companies expect married men to work more strenuously, since husbands here are usually the sole breadwinners.

That's why most of the homeless are middle-aged or older single men - a unique aspect of the problem of homelessness in Japan, activists say.

"Most of the homeless are systematically eliminated from society," says Nakamura. Japan's homeless problem is attributed to "deeply rooted discrimination."

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:09 am

We've already answered the original question, now we are having a discussion. This is normal in these threads. The only one who usually thinks otherwise is the original poster who didn't quite get the answer he was wishing for so wants to continue the discussion till maybe someone pipes up with an answer that more fits his wishes. Who knows, might happen.......

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:47 am

@SMS

There was one chap from the same region having the same experiences in languages etc.. Then when he did not get the answer he wants or looking for, he became upset and start trolling. I wonder if OP is the same person ??
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:53 am

Interesting observation. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. :wink:

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Sat, 11 Jun 2011 3:49 pm

ı got the answer sms...thanks

sundaymorningstaple wrote:We've already answered the original question, now we are having a discussion. This is normal in these threads. The only one who usually thinks otherwise is the original poster who didn't quite get the answer he was wishing for so wants to continue the discussion till maybe someone pipes up with an answer that more fits his wishes. Who knows, might happen.......

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Postby beppi » Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:43 pm

If the indication given by the OP's name (i.e. that he's Turkish) is true, then he should be more concerned about nationality rather than age discrimination: Turkey is here usually considered a poor third-world country, not a part of rich Europe - and job offers (at least the salary part) often go with what the applicant is worth in his own home. But maybe the OP has enough international (means rich-world) experience to mitigate this (or he's lucky enough to find an employer that is as meritocratic as Singapore as a whole pretends to be)?

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 3:40 pm

first of all i lived in Germany erlangen for over 28 years and have visited 42 countries due to my business.
i know many different cultures and know that how to close to human and understand them.
So,i can state some truths about those countries but never speak or write something what i never know!

i will be neutral and write down something;

1.turkey is not considered as third-part!
have you been or seen the growing side of turkey?
2.are you aware about the strength of this country,what means rich Europe?
what are the criterias you are considering in comparing countries?



beppi wrote:If the indication given by the OP's name (i.e. that he's Turkish) is true, then he should be more concerned about nationality rather than age discrimination: Turkey is here usually considered a poor third-world country, not a part of rich Europe - and job offers (at least the salary part) often go with what the applicant is worth in his own home. But maybe the OP has enough international (means rich-world) experience to mitigate this (or he's lucky enough to find an employer that is as meritocratic as Singapore as a whole pretends to be)?

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Postby beppi » Mon, 13 Jun 2011 4:17 pm

oezcan kaplan wrote:first of all i lived in Germany erlangen for over 28 years and have visited 42 countries due to my business.
i know many different cultures and know that how to close to human and understand them.
So,i can state some truths about those countries but never speak or write something what i never know!

i will be neutral and write down something;

1.turkey is not considered as third-part!
have you been or seen the growing side of turkey?
2.are you aware about the strength of this country,what means rich Europe?
what are the criterias you are considering in comparing countries?


Please note: I did not state my own opinion here, but the one of the majority of people you would be dealing with on a daily basis if you come to Singapore: Most think that Turkey is a third-world Muslim country in the troublesome Middle East.
This might be wrong (just as the opinion of the majority Europeans about Asia is wrong - I met many who couldn't even tell China from Japan!), but it is unlikely to change in the near future. So if you cannot stomach such prejudices against your country, please do not come to Singapore!


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