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Post by Calmday » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 8:01 am

ecureilx wrote:
speeder wrote: I wandered this weekend on some cruising forums, and indeed, the second place in world piracy is around Singapore (the first is near Somalia)... But if you cannot enter Singapore with weapons, I wonder what people do... (maybe this is why there are so much piracy near Singapore?)
Sailors code says it is wrong to carry arms, or something like that
You pulled this out of your back side. I have been on and around boats most of my life. I hold a 500ton Masters license from the US Coast Guard and have never heard such a silly thing. Most ports around the world have a protocol covering what you need to do with your arms. Most say that you check them in with customs or that they are not allowed off of your vessel.

and piracy around here has nothing to with the law .. it is because the area has a lot of small islands (Indonesian archipelago .. ) and the standard of living of the neighbouring country ..
100% correct


And it's not like the area is infested with pirates ...
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You are not a sailor, I guess ??
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Post by Strong Eagle » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 8:39 am

speeder wrote:I wandered this weekend on some cruising forums, and indeed, the second place in world piracy is around Singapore (the first is near Somalia)... But if you cannot enter Singapore with weapons, I wonder what people do... (maybe this is why there are so much piracy near Singapore?)
Actually, the process is quite easy for carrying arms on board while underway. You register your firearms with Singapore police/coast guard. Doesn't really matter what you want to register... even AK-47's. You leave the weapons with the police while on land. When getting ready to go to sea, collect your weapons and depart.

Explained to me by the owner of a 42 sedan cruiser.

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Post by Calmday » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 9:43 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
speeder wrote:I wandered this weekend on some cruising forums, and indeed, the second place in world piracy is around Singapore (the first is near Somalia)... But if you cannot enter Singapore with weapons, I wonder what people do... (maybe this is why there are so much piracy near Singapore?)
Actually, the process is quite easy for carrying arms on board while underway. You register your firearms with Singapore police/coast guard. Doesn't really matter what you want to register... even AK-47's. You leave the weapons with the police while on land. When getting ready to go to sea, collect your weapons and depart.

Explained to me by the owner of a 42 sedan cruiser.
Thanks for the clarification. This is similar to most other places.
I had just assumed the no weapons in Singapore because of the ridiculous amount of control the gov has on people here. Oh well, you know what they say about assuming.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:16 am

Calmday wrote:You pulled this out of your back side. I have been on and around boats most of my life. I hold a 500ton Masters license from the US Coast Guard and have never heard such a silly thing. Most ports around the world have a protocol covering what you need to do with your arms. Most say that you check them in with customs or that they are not allowed off of your vessel.
Apologies, I am not a sailor, and just happened to work fro ship owners more than a decade ago .. and did sail from South Asia to Pt Klang, on a tugship/anchor handling ship.

And I only quoted what I was told .. and then again, US Law is not the universal law :D :D (Pun intended :D :D) Unless the sea has become unsafe of late ..
And it's not like the area is infested with pirates ...
100% wrong
You are scaring my boots .. I did do a week live-aboard, on a 42 feet cruiser .. and don't remember ever the master or the owner mentioning the fire-arms. All I was briefed was to fire the flares, and press the panic button in the HARTS .. if s**It hit the ceiling .. and nothing more ..
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Apologies for that remark ..

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:23 am

nakatago wrote:The pirates talk their victims to death.
At the risk of calling a thread drift, Nury Vittachi did an article on 'talking people to death .. ' :D :D read it ..

SMS: yes, and gotta remind myself that the 7th fleet is 'somewhere around there .. '

For those who need some realistic reports .. and the common problem in the region seems to be robbers, unlike the Somali Pirates ..

http://www.cargolaw.com/presentations_casualties.php

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Post by Calmday » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:25 am

Great link. Thanks.

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Post by blogtowkay » Tue, 07 Jun 2011 1:15 pm

yes it is legal to do that in Singapore.

A Sunday Times check with marinas and clubs found that at least a dozen expatriates – mostly from the United States, Germany, Britain and Australia – live on boats here. Some do so with family members.

http://sgrealtynews.com/2010/03/22/wate ... his-is-it/

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Post by Mad Scientist » Wed, 08 Jun 2011 4:05 am

blogtowkay wrote:yes it is legal to do that in Singapore.

A Sunday Times check with marinas and clubs found that at least a dozen expatriates – mostly from the United States, Germany, Britain and Australia – live on boats here. Some do so with family members.

http://sgrealtynews.com/2010/03/22/wate ... his-is-it/
There is nothing wrong living in the house boat But OP inquiry is using the house boat as permanent address which is not possible
Hence your boat will need a permanent address on land either a Marina Club etc.

I extracted this out from the MHA

The new procedures on reporting a change of address are part of ICA's effort to step up security checks against false reports of change of address by IC holders. With effect from 1st April 2008, an IC holder will be required to produce documentary evidence such as recent utility bills, telephone bills, etc as proof of his new address before it can be updated. If he is unable to furnish any documentary evidence, he may submit an online pre-notification to ICA on the new address. An pre-notification letter will then be sent to the IC holder at his new address within 7 working days. Upon receipt of this letter which serves as the evidence of his new address, the IC holder can call at ICA, NPCs/NPPs to effect the change of address on this physical IC.
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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 08 Jun 2011 10:10 am

Mad Scientist wrote:Upon receipt of this letter which serves as the evidence of his new address, the IC holder can call at ICA, NPCs/NPPs to effect the change of address on this physical IC.
And me in a little voice quivers .. "does such rule apply only to Pink/Blue IC holders ? Or includes the HNWI foreigners who can afford to have a boat, let alone live on it full time ?? " :D :D

SC/SPR are considered to have committed a crime for not updating the address, but I know enough and more WP/EP/SP holders who rarely have changed their address, even when they shifted house .. and the only time the go into panic is when their Income tax notice is missing and when they apply for PR ..

Heck, I can even count atleast 10 of the foreigners I know who screwed up their PR by not updating their address after submitting the PR Application, and a year later ICA says "since you didn't finalise the approval, application was considered to be withdrawn" or something to that effect ..

The OP maybe a HNWI ? No ???

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Post by ksl » Wed, 08 Jun 2011 6:17 pm

Ignorance is not bliss quite a few citizens do the same, avoiding loan sharks, or fines, which actually catch up in the end...People that do this thinking they are smart are quite behind the times, especially when employed by a law abiding company. :-|

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