Sounds like she's also had some good lessons in wasting police time tooBarri wrote:I found it indeed a splendid ideato pick out a similair looking toy.
I think the middle one looks quite ok: http://www.piasofttoys.com/nederlands1/ ... es/216.jpg
Eh pragmatic
Well I think my daughter learned quite a few things about property law, how to put up a search and how to make a police rapport, the limits of the law where the police is confined to, how friendly the Ghim Moh police was in taking her loss seriously and how many people in her neighbourhood where taking her side and where willing to help her.
I think she is already a big step forward in becoming a good member of society.
At the risk of being called a bigot, I could possibly think that she is an expat .. and a spoilt one at that ..JayCee wrote:Sounds like she's also had some good lessons in wasting police time too
Where, pray is this law written down ?? :I am confused ..Barri wrote:No the fact remains that Titi was our posession and then property law comes into play.
The question was if the shopowner was in her right to trow away property left behind by a costumer. According to normal procedure items left behind are at least hold on to for a week.
the normal procedure is to not carry around stuff that can be misplaced and expect the world to take care of your belongingsI assume the standard reaction would be : ok she trew it out, you lost your cheetah, so swallow and buckle/grow up. I buy you a new toy.
Love it ..I am very glad that the Ghim moh police also understood that this was her first contact with the police. They showed her that they took her case seriously regardless of her age. They took 10 minutes from their busy scedule to make a rapport for a crying girl and told her why and how that comes into the files and they helped her staple her missing flyer right on the message board.
Apart from the unheard "normal procedure" you brought in a fair point but please explain what kind of report did you file in the police?Barri wrote:No the fact remains that Titi was our posession and then property law comes into play.
The question was if the shopowner was in her right to trow away property left behind by a costumer.
According to normal procedure items left behind are at least hold on to for a week.
Well put! Your daughter is learning about respect first hand from you. You don't get rid of stuff just because it gets in your way and inconvenience you, you try to track down the owner or have a lost and found. We all make mistake and misplace stuff, it does not take all that much effort to help out another fella being.Barri wrote: All she would learn from that approach is that her pain means nothing, her parents wont do anything to help her in her distress, or do not know what they can do to help her, that losses and grief should be imediatly resolved by buying new stuff, that her community doesn't care and that adults have all the rights to do whatever they please.
Missing person, or shall I say missing animal reportx9200 wrote: Apart from the unheard "normal procedure" you brought in a fair point but please explain what kind of report did you file in the police?
. I applaud the Ghim Moh police for having the heart and foresight for doing their part in this community-building exercise.I think the point above just proved the point below. The fundamental lack of trust and sense of community. And trust building starts with ME, which is what Barri is doing. She teaching her daughter that mom can be trusted to do the right thing, and not the expedient thing, which was the route taken by the shopkeeper. How hard is it to establish an area of lost and found. It does not need to be actively managed. Just toss the lost item in there and owner can just do a search thru it themselves.ecureilx wrote:
And to discourage the staff from going on Scavenger hunts, the items thrown were really thrown to garbage .. lest somebody accuse the staff of stealing, when seen using the left behind stuff. [/size]
Barri wrote: Also I think that many people do not feel connected to the community where they are living in and that comes all to often with devastating results.
You missed the point .. the idea was and is to not to let staff recycle the lost items, than be accused of stealing ..earthfriendly wrote: I think the point above just proved the point below. The fundamental lack of trust and sense of community. And trust building starts with ME, which is what Barri is doing. She teaching her daughter that mom can be trusted to do the right thing, and not the expedient thing, which was the route taken by the shopkeeper. How hard is it to establish an area of lost and found. It does not need to be actively managed. Just toss the lost item in there and owner can just do a search thru it themselves.
(that was in jest .. ) : DJust finished getting $10k worth of flooring installed, we thought it looked too busy and told contractor if we can replaced with different pattern.ecureilx wrote:
Well, what do I know - I was brought up the asian way where you own up to your mistakes, and not blame the shop for throwing stuff, and the demanding the cops go looking for your missing toy ..
Keep going
so you are asian or became half asian because you grew up in the west ?? Please pardon my ignorance ..Barri wrote: Ha! And you can not label me off as just a "silly" ang moh (please I am just quoting here) since I am half Asian.
I implore you to re-read my post, I didn't say live with your mistakes, I said own up to your mistakes, instead of making it somebody else' ... as seem to be the lesson here .. the shop owner, the public, the police man .. the karanguni man .. everybody is at fault other than your kid .. (don't tell that to your kid, but .. no, I don't want my kids to grow up with that kind of attitude .. and expect the state to fix all my problems .. )I had the same kind of raising in thinking that it is all your own fault and you live with your own mistakes etc etc.
Hahaha that is quite a slapstick imagination that I would have demanded the police to put up a search.
I am very happy that the police officer and I where both on the same page that this was a learning moment for a young member of society.
Maybe you feel better if you instead of seeing it as "wasting time" see it as educative & preventive youth outreaching community work?
Barri wrote: But then I went to study further learned a lot more about laws, rights, obligations and how important a community is and grew out of it.
My parents are people from their generation, they grew up in a war and or just after the war and in those times law and order where not always there.
Good, so let me ask again, what kind of report did you file to the police?
I may add another question, what lesson did you teach the hardware shop owner who disposed your toy?
Hahaha that is quite a slapstick imagination that I would have demanded the police to put up a search.
You didn't?
Maybe you feel better if you instead of seeing it as "wasting time" see it as educative & preventive youth outreaching community work?
So far nothing like this emerges from your posts. Lots of pretty chaotic incomplete information pointing at best in different directions.
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