JR8 wrote:I don’t take failure to address points as a sign of lower intelligence. I take it as a sign that the other party cannot argue a point and hence is conceding it. It makes for a much better debate if such points are gracefully acknowledged, but of course ego being what it is...
I don't think it is an ego thing. Personally I often let a point drop for various reasons:
a) I'm not interested in it
b) It's so silly that to engage would drag down the tenor of the discussion
c) There were many points made and to rebutt each point is too tiring
d) The over-riding theme matters more than the details so I address that
e) I'm dying to argue the point but shut up to keep the peace
For me, a point is not conceded unless I explicitly say so. I'm not saying my way is correct or better, just that I do notice differences.
JR8 wrote:‘The other side stops listening because it deems the other hypocritical and having no right to condemn when it is itself a poor example.’ Is this how it is? Surely that would be what a westerner would consider moral relativism, ‘You say our XYZ is bad, but it’s not as bad as your ABC (therefore your point is invalid)’, again generally considered an invalid debating technique.
Case in point. You are still using the Socratic debating framework in making this judgment, and expect the other side to respond within the debating framework.
When someone says ‘You say our XYZ is bad, but it’s not as bad as your ABC', this does not mean your point is invalid. It means your point may be valid but you have no right to make this statement at all and therefore I am not going to discuss this with you.
It's like A and B talking while both are eating steak:
A: "Hey red meat is bad for health so you should stop eating that."
B: "And who are you to tell me that?"
A: "Er, you are not addressing the fact that red meat is bad for health."
B: "You do not have the right to lecture me while stuffing your face!"
A: "So you concede the point because you are not responding to it?"
Both A and B are making perfectly valid points. A is debating a point and not interested in the moral authority, B is questioning the moral authority and not interested in the debate. They are seeing the situation through entirely different lenses. That's all I'm saying.