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Postby Kris24 » Fri, 27 May 2011 5:01 pm

I'm starting to think there's something not so right here.. I know the restrictions are so harsh to discourage foreigners from moving there and taking up the jobs from SG citizens.. But what I'm seeing in the job listings is that most all job openings are for managers of some form or another.. Are there no SG citizens willing to take these jobs?? And it seems that almost every job requires a degree.. And apparently most everyone there has one..
There was even an ad for a McDonald's manager that requires a degree.. lol

I would say that your best bet would be to have all your paperwork in order first, fill out a good resume, and hit all the employers you can.. With an endorsement from the right company, along with your papers and/or skills, you would probably be able to find a job there since no one else wants to do a job for a mere $2,500. a month.. Just from what I've seen, read, and various talks, greed is making lots of jobs available in SG..

And most job listings you will find here are for high end jobs.. Not down to earth type jobs.. There are various other sites to find more realistic jobs for people with little experience or lack of a degree..

Just my opinion..

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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 27 May 2011 6:05 pm

Kris24, what sort of industrial work do you do?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 27 May 2011 6:57 pm

oezcan kaplan wrote:Hello

So,there are two ways as ;

1.MOM
2.Employer

As fas i realize in case of non-affirmative approach by MOM,there will be the employer the factor who will insist the MOM for this candidate for the EP admission!

I suppose that the better way is to have initialy contact to a employer,instead of MOM!

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As far as MOM is concerned, go to the MOM site and see if you will qualify using the EPEC guidelines. If you do, no problem, if you don't, then it will depend on the employer, your experience and anything you are bringing to the table. If it's a twinning programme with a local university/school, again, it depends. Currently, even having a degree (in situ degree) isn't a guarantee any more. Online/correspondence are not looked at favourably, but I suppose they are better than nothing at all. But in Singapore, they trend toward to in situ degrees.


You obviously haven't been reading too closely or enough on this board.

Getting a Employment Pass here is a two part problem.

1) You have to have a employer willing to hire you as you cannot get an employment pass without an employer. The EPEC is only a certificate that indicates that your academic qualifications, in your field, would be recognized by MOM. This does NOT mean you will get a job here. It only means that if you can find an employer who will hire you based on your credential in THAT industry, then you will not be rejected for qualifications.

2) However, even if you get an EPEC, if your prospective job is not in your field of study, or is a technician's job and your degree in not in an engineering field, you will most likely be rejected unless you have at least five years of experience in the job being offered.

3) Even if you manage to get over those hurdles....... THE company has to be able to convince the MOM that they have tried to source a local/PR for the position and there are just none available. Unless they can do that, you will be rejected. It's not made easy for a reason. You can even have a masters or phd and you can still be rejected if there are plenty of suitably qualified local/pr's available for that position. Having "higher" qualifications won't float you boat if it not required for the position. In fact, if the position only requires a BSc and you have a Masters & PhD, you will probably be overlooked by the employer as you will have more qualifications than required, so therefore, the odds of you staying on the job are minimal, so why should they waste time & money on you.

4) The employer has to virtually beg MOM and unfortunately MOM doesn't budge too often.

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Postby oezcan kaplan » Fri, 27 May 2011 8:48 pm

There is nothing questionable!

The major case is that employer should make a choice from locals.
After understanding having no sense ,then employer will search for foreigner and apply at MOM.

Initialy,there must be a prospective employer who will have interrest to hire.

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
oezcan kaplan wrote:Hello

So,there are two ways as ;

1.MOM
2.Employer

As fas i realize in case of non-affirmative approach by MOM,there will be the employer the factor who will insist the MOM for this candidate for the EP admission!

I suppose that the better way is to have initialy contact to a employer,instead of MOM!

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As far as MOM is concerned, go to the MOM site and see if you will qualify using the EPEC guidelines. If you do, no problem, if you don't, then it will depend on the employer, your experience and anything you are bringing to the table. If it's a twinning programme with a local university/school, again, it depends. Currently, even having a degree (in situ degree) isn't a guarantee any more. Online/correspondence are not looked at favourably, but I suppose they are better than nothing at all. But in Singapore, they trend toward to in situ degrees.


You obviously haven't been reading too closely or enough on this board.

Getting a Employment Pass here is a two part problem.

1) You have to have a employer willing to hire you as you cannot get an employment pass without an employer. The EPEC is only a certificate that indicates that your academic qualifications, in your field, would be recognized by MOM. This does NOT mean you will get a job here. It only means that if you can find an employer who will hire you based on your credential in THAT industry, then you will not be rejected for qualifications.

2) However, even if you get an EPEC, if your prospective job is not in your field of study, or is a technician's job and your degree in not in an engineering field, you will most likely be rejected unless you have at least five years of experience in the job being offered.

3) Even if you manage to get over those hurdles....... THE company has to be able to convince the MOM that they have tried to source a local/PR for the position and there are just none available. Unless they can do that, you will be rejected. It's not made easy for a reason. You can even have a masters or phd and you can still be rejected if there are plenty of suitably qualified local/pr's available for that position. Having "higher" qualifications won't float you boat if it not required for the position. In fact, if the position only requires a BSc and you have a Masters & PhD, you will probably be overlooked by the employer as you will have more qualifications than required, so therefore, the odds of you staying on the job are minimal, so why should they waste time & money on you.

4) The employer has to virtually beg MOM and unfortunately MOM doesn't budge too often.

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Postby nakatago » Fri, 27 May 2011 9:27 pm

Kris24 wrote:I'm starting to think there's something not so right here.. I know the restrictions are so harsh to discourage foreigners from moving there and taking up the jobs from SG citizens.. But what I'm seeing in the job listings is that most all job openings are for managers of some form or another.. Are there no SG citizens willing to take these jobs?? And it seems that almost every job requires a degree.. And apparently most everyone there has one..
There was even an ad for a McDonald's manager that requires a degree.. lol

I would say that your best bet would be to have all your paperwork in order first, fill out a good resume, and hit all the employers you can.. With an endorsement from the right company, along with your papers and/or skills, you would probably be able to find a job there since no one else wants to do a job for a mere $2,500. a month.. Just from what I've seen, read, and various talks, greed is making lots of jobs available in SG..

And most job listings you will find here are for high end jobs.. Not down to earth type jobs.. There are various other sites to find more realistic jobs for people with little experience or lack of a degree..

Just my opinion..


too bad the mob doesn't see things that way. :?

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Postby Kris24 » Fri, 27 May 2011 9:47 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:Kris24, what sort of industrial work do you do?


There's not much I can't do in this field.. After all, I do come from a industrial nation..
But to be a little more specific, here's a few: Welding, Drafting, Machinist, etc..

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 28 May 2011 3:56 am

oezcan kaplan wrote:There is nothing questionable!

The major case is that employer should make a choice from locals.
After understanding having no sense ,then employer will search for foreigner and apply at MOM.

Initialy,there must be a prospective employer who will have interrest to hire.




Not here in SG, the incentives to hire locals far outweigh hiring FTs. Yes, I agree back in early 2000 this is the case and I have done that many a times BUT not now even if the employers have to bent backwards and rolled up like a ferris wheel, it will not happen
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