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Postby Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 7:56 pm

If she is elgible after 2 years which she is, and if the vetting clears her, and she is still within the quota for the year, there is no reason to refuse. However it will take 6 months, and the elections are over on the 7th of May, so my own opinion would be for her to submit for PR...I'm worried that is she gets married, her circumstances change and she may have to wait another two years. But a quick call to ICA should sort that out.

Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks to all who comments too. guess i will jus have to check with ICA what is the best option.

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Postby ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 8:41 pm

Jawo wrote:Dear folks,

Thanks for so many feedback. really good info. actually im a male singapore citizen, my partner is a female Malaysian. cheers

Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.
i was thinking of this option as i was told by many ppl the PR chances will be double as well after we ROM, not sure if it is true and i did not thought of the marriage of convenience if it applys to us ?

If to apply PR first without ROM, what will be the chances of Success ? what do ICA base on for approval ?
If she is elgible after 2 years which she is, and if the vetting clears her, and she is still within the quota for the year, there is no reason to refuse. However it will take 6 months, and the elections are over on the 7th of May, so my own opinion would be for her to submit for PR...I'm worried that is she gets married, her circumstances change and she may have to wait another two years. But a quick call to ICA should sort that out.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 9:22 pm

You can bet there is no quota for Malaysian Chinese with qualifications AND family ties. Especially seeing they are trying to drive down the numbers of Indians in the queue at the moment.

I'd ROM, apply for PR, then plan the traditional ceremony at an auspicious time. Or you can go with ksl's scheme and have half the chance. In the end, only you can make that decision. Good luck.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 9:24 pm

Frankly, I'll bet the call to ICA will give you nothing. They aren't going to divulge anything about someones chances. You should know better than that. Too much anecdotal evidence to the contrary. :-|

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Postby ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:10 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Frankly, I'll bet the call to ICA will give you nothing. They aren't going to divulge anything about someones chances. You should know better than that. Too much anecdotal evidence to the contrary. :-|
It is not about chances, it's about a persons eligibility for PR changing, As the person is eligible for PR now and they can apply under the skills scheme, which secures them if ever they divorce too, getting PR under the spouse sponsorship is a little reckless to say the least.

They may not be eligible for PR until after 2 years of marriage, so it's not about chance. If you want to take the risks involved for chance, then i would agree a married family stand more chance

But about circumstances changing which delays the application, the chances will be the same whatever, even after 6 months wait. So the only question ICA need to answer is do circumstance for PR application change when one gets married, does the persons eligibilty change to 2 more years wait.

I would think so, as there is a period of 4 years wait for a Singaporeans spouse to get citizenship for example, becuase they are not going to issue a PR unless the person has first had an LTVSP issued for a period of time and that time for an LTVSP application to PR is 2 years to get PR and 2 as a PR before citizenship application.

Standing operation procedure would indicate, that an S pass person who gets married in Singapore has not been through the family immigration procedure from Malaysia to Singapore and from an immigration point of view I would say, the S pass applicant may have to be repatriated to home country before family applications for spouses for LTVSP pass is applied for. I don't know.

As long has she works on S pass, she is independent, and not a dependant even though married so she is not entitled for the LTVSP pass, until the S pass is forfeited. It is in between these times of waiting that problems may occur, as marriage does not give the right of abode, only immigration process.

If it was me in his shoes i wouldn't take it for granted, that getting married will allow the spouse to get PR anytime soon, a minimum 2 years as man and wife due to circumstances changing.

There is a saving of 18 months at least if she can get PR under her S pass criteria, because the future spouse has already been here over 2 years, you want to throw that saving away for what. :???: Doesn't make any sense to me unless you want the wife repatriated after divorce.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:28 pm

As usual, much ado about nothing. They are eligible to apply for PR after being in Singapore for 6 months. But anecdotal evidence for the past year or so shows anywhere from 6 months to two years if they are rejected. Maybe you should go back a read at few of the threads here yourself. Again, we already know the requirements, we just don't know the point spread.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41 pm

ksl wrote:Standing operation procedure would indicate, that an S pass person who gets married in Singapore has not been through the family immigration procedure from Malaysia to Singapore and from an immigration point of view I would say, the S pass applicant may have to be repatriated to home country before family applications for spouses for LTVSP pass is applied for. I don't know.


Not to increase your pressure, but, where are these Standard operating procedures, and 'eligibility' criteria listed down ?

I only spent a bit more than 10 plus plus plus years here, and am still trying to find out ...

The Point of view et al don't work .. and the person requesting is a Singaporean marrying a Malaysian, Chinese for both.

Not a foreigner marrying a Malaysian S Pass ...

:) Let it go .. :D :D

As for the suggestion to call ICA and ask for the chances, I may be more lucky getting 4D number from the fortune teller ..

you were more than a bit terrifying, in your previous post, further up, where you recommended to write down the ICA officer's name .. not done .. unless back from where you are it is norm .. here in Singapore, if you adopt such a style, it's not gonna open doors .. or so I say from my own eeny meeny experience ..

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01 am

ecureilx wrote:As for the suggestion to call ICA and ask for the chances, I may be more lucky getting 4D number from the fortune teller ..

Sorry but my mother-in-law cleaned out 4D for the past 2 months. Wouldn't risk gambling when she has her chips on th table! :shock: :???: :lol:


you were more than a bit terrifying, in your previous post, further up, where you recommended to write down the ICA officer's name .. not done .. unless back from where you are it is norm .. here in Singapore, if you adopt such a style, it's not gonna open doors .. or so I say from my own eeny meeny experience ..

Why? Are these officers not able to give reliable advice? Are they terrified of being held to account?



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Postby ksl » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:02 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As usual, much ado about nothing. They are eligible to apply for PR after being in Singapore for 6 months. But anecdotal evidence for the past year or so shows anywhere from 6 months to two years if they are rejected. Maybe you should go back a read at few of the threads here yourself. Again, we already know the requirements, we just don't know the point spread.


As usual, much ado about nothing. They are eligible to apply for PR after being in Singapore for 6 months
You need to get your facts right before spouting :P :wink: If you are on a P, Q or S pass you can apply immediately for PR. FAQ No2

http://www.ifaq.gov.sg/ica/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:28 am

Look who's talking. So then there is no reason to call ICA is there. :P

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Postby ksl » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 6:11 am

ecureilx wrote:
ksl wrote:Standing operation procedure would indicate, that an S pass person who gets married in Singapore has not been through the family immigration procedure from Malaysia to Singapore and from an immigration point of view I would say, the S pass applicant may have to be repatriated to home country before family applications for spouses for LTVSP pass is applied for. I don't know.


Not to increase your pressure, but, where are these Standard operating procedures, and 'eligibility' criteria listed down ?

I only spent a bit more than 10 plus plus plus years here, and am still trying to find out ...

The Point of view et al don't work .. and the person requesting is a Singaporean marrying a Malaysian, Chinese for both.

Not a foreigner marrying a Malaysian S Pass ...

:) Let it go .. :D :D

As for the suggestion to call ICA and ask for the chances, I may be more lucky getting 4D number from the fortune teller ..

you were more than a bit terrifying, in your previous post, further up, where you recommended to write down the ICA officer's name .. not done .. unless back from where you are it is norm .. here in Singapore, if you adopt such a style, it's not gonna open doors .. or so I say from my own eeny meeny experience ..
It's not surprising that one's posts gets misunderstood, if your having reading comprehension problems. It's not about asking ICA about chances now is it as each case is handled on its own merits! Try reading again :-| I can now understand why you have had problems with ICA in the past :)

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 6:37 am

Jawo wrote:Dear ecureils,

Thanks for advising. So I assume we do not need permission frm mom to married, which option would be more advisable to proceed ? Rom first than apply PR ? or apply PR first ?


I tend to weigh more towards KSL on this view. Yes, SMS is right as you do not need to seek permission if you are on S pass. But covering the bases is much better rather than not as sh*t do happens.
My take MOM then ROM then LTSVP then .............PR .
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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:57 am

JR8 wrote:
Why? Are these officers not able to give reliable advice? Are they terrified of being held to account?



No, not sure what you think, but for me - when you have an excellent service, insisting you take down the officer's name / details, and insist on personal contact is not something professional people do ..(in my opinion .. )

And it is intimidating and sort of a strong arm tactic - again - in my eyes ..

I do Customer service, and tell the customer to reach our general numbers, and if they insist they only will talk to me - for me I take it as insecurity or lack of confidence, and it doesn't make sense when each and every one of my team member is as competent as the other ..

Those are my 2 cents - don't wanna get drawn into any talk if people are threatened or busy CYA and I am yet to see any govt officer who is CYA !!!!

Maybe I am wrong after all ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:23 am

Even if they ROM, what is the logic behind the LTVP?

ROM'ing only make 'em married. If she is still working, she can remain on the S pass, n'est ce pas? For what reason would she need to change it? Even during the PR process she can remain on the S pass. This is the double barreled application I speak of. Applying after the ROM but before the traditional ceremony, still gives the same length of time (provided you ROM asap) and apply for the PR under the PTS scheme. The application will automatically show the spouse is a Singapore Citizen therefore throwing even more weight behind the PTS scheme application. Then they will approve based on whichever is the stronger case (not the weaker one). That's exactly the scenario I used when I got my PR. And neither my wife, a 7%'er or myself, a 2%'er, are Chinese which is an added benefit if you happen to be either Malaysian or Indonesian Chinese when it comes to obtaining PR here.

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Postby Ginner-Sg » Wed, 20 Apr 2011 1:42 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Even if they ROM, what is the logic behind the LTVP?

ROM'ing only make 'em married. If she is still working, she can remain on the S pass, n'est ce pas? For what reason would she need to change it? Even during the PR process she can remain on the S pass. This is the double barreled application I speak of. Applying after the ROM but before the traditional ceremony, still gives the same length of time (provided you ROM asap) and apply for the PR under the PTS scheme. The application will automatically show the spouse is a Singapore Citizen therefore throwing even more weight behind the PTS scheme application. Then they will approve based on whichever is the stronger case (not the weaker one). That's exactly the scenario I used when I got my PR. And neither my wife, a 7%'er or myself, a 2%'er, are Chinese which is an added benefit if you happen to be either Malaysian or Indonesian Chinese when it comes to obtaining PR here.


Ok so how is it, i'm PR and i was married less than an a year. Ok it took it's time getting here(like 6 mths) but it came. My wife is singaporean and me, which i don't like to say aloud is British.
I didn't come to SG with Degrees and loads of money, so yes i was lucky. But i wish people would stop going on about PR's, if ICA want to say yes then they will. :mad: All i got for my qualifications is G.C.S.E. and then they were not A+B's


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