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PR application for my partner

Post by Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:11 pm

Dear Folks,

Would like to seek some advised on the following scenerio. any advised would be deeply appreciated.

I am a singaporean and currently have a partner ( Malaysian) who is holding an S pass working in sg for 2 years.. we have intention to get married late this year or early next year. as we have intention to apply for HDB, but minimum requirement is a citizen and a PR for hdb apply. so therefore we will need to convert my partner into PR first before we can apply HDB.

For the PR application part, would it be advisable to apply first to give it a try or wait till year end or early next year after we register our marriage than we try to apply for PR ?

The main concern is we are only intending to settle down late this year or early next year, but at the same time we wanted to book for hdb asap so we dun have to wait too long for a flat. with the citizen and pr rules in HDB. we cant proceed to Bto. so any suggestion how we can move on from here ?

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Post by ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 3:06 pm

I think it would be advisable to apply for PR status first, then apply to MOM to get married, rather than apply to get married first. As i believe once the status change of marriage, that the person must wait again another 2 years, to ensure its not a marriage of convenience before getting PR.

So I wouldn't speculate on HDB until you have the PR status first, immigration tend to look and wait to see if the marriage will last. So if you do get married first you will have to blow with the wind and just hope for the best outcome. Important not to forget to ask permission to get married from MOM. Though looking on the positive side, you get time to save money too. It's easier for Malay Chinese!
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Post by Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 3:14 pm

Dear ksl,

I have read some research on past posting, did i miss out that S pass needs to seek permission to get married ? my Gf is currently on S pass with monthly income of $2k, im on $5k. i thought only WP needs permission ?

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 3:17 pm

Jawo wrote:Dear ksl,

I have read some research on past posting, did i miss out that S pass needs to seek permission to get married ? my Gf is currently on S pass with monthly income of $2k, im on $5k. i thought only WP needs permission ?
you maybe right .. from what I know Work Pass (i.e. for Maids) is barred from marrying without permission from MOM - not that MOM is happy to hand out permission !!!

S Pass, for the less informed does say Work Pass, just like it says for the maid permit, but, as I said, I am 99.9% sure it is not the same case as Maid permit ..

KSL May beat me on the .1% :)

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Post by Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 3:51 pm

That is why me and my partner did thought of Rom first. than we apply for PR, and hoping this will guranteed my partner PR application. cause i heard of ppl telling us if we get married. the PR application will be more confirm. but this option will have to wait till we are married than.

The other option will be applying for PR before marriage, but this will need to be subject to approval, if approved, we can book for bto and prep marriage happily but if rejected, will need to wait 1 year or so to reapply again.

So was wondering which way should i go ?

Btw, im a chinese and my partner is a malaysian chinese.

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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 4:08 pm

Jawo wrote:Btw, im a chinese and my partner is a malaysian chinese.
If you are Singapore chinese, and your partner Malaysian Chinese, me don't see no reason for you to be so afraid ..

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Post by Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 4:28 pm

Dear ecureils,

Thanks for advising. So I assume we do not need permission frm mom to married, which option would be more advisable to proceed ? Rom first than apply PR ? or apply PR first ?

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Post by ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 4:59 pm

Jawo wrote:That is why me and my partner did thought of Rom first. than we apply for PR, and hoping this will guranteed my partner PR application. cause i heard of ppl telling us if we get married. the PR application will be more confirm. but this option will have to wait till we are married than.

The other option will be applying for PR before marriage, but this will need to be subject to approval, if approved, we can book for bto and prep marriage happily but if rejected, will need to wait 1 year or so to reapply again.

So was wondering which way should i go ?

Btw, im a chinese and my partner is a malaysian chinese.
You are right that it only applies to work pass holders I believe, but think of it as a matter of procedure as foreign quotas maybe implemented for immigration point of view, use the data for your own expectations. It's more of a matter of being polite and collecting data on any restrictions like foreign quotas, this gives you an opportunity to ask the people that maybe in the know and the more you are informed the less likely your frustrations will be.

You can also mention to ICA, that you are thinking of getting married to your girlfriend from Malaysia, are there any restrictions on ICA on allowing your wife to stay. Get the ICA persons name and record everything said, ask if there are any restrictions at all that may hindre the immigration process, by involving the officers at ICA, may help you in the long run on application process, has they will be familiar with your case from before you actually get married, that's all i'm trying to explain, try to smooth the process as much as possible as it maybe in your favour to know what ICA rules on foreign brides are rather then getting married and having your wife rejected time and time again. There maybe rules that your wife must return to Malaysia, before being allowed an LTVSP, these things you need to know because your wife is employed on S pass.

She may not automatically get LTVSP, without fulfilling the foreign family immigration process that's all I'm saying.

Most countries do this now, if a person gets married it does not give automatic abode in the country, they have to be processed through immigration which can take 3 months in Europe. I'm not saying it's the same, I'm telling you to find out the process to get your wife legally in Singapore as your wife. One can expect background checks being done before allowing a foreigner into the Country as a spouse.

Trust me that Singapore will limit immigration based on educational backgrounds, the government may reveal that citizens come first, however how many married men and women are having difficulties getting their spouses approved for immigartion to Singapore? You need to know how it works and how long it's going to take, otherwise you will be frustrated and disappointed with your own government.

Getting PR while on S pass, would be the recommended (vetting), as this gives her automatic residential status. Getting married first doesn't give her the same residential rights as a spouse. She will still be on S pass and will need to convert to a LTVSP..it's more than likely she will have to return to her own country for LTVSP processing (Vetting) as a spouse. you need to check these things out before diving in the deep water.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 5:30 pm

Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.

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Post by ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 5:34 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.

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Will the change of circumstance add 2 more years waiting if they marry? They need to know because they want to buy HDB. Though the person as already been here 2 years. So PR application maybe better now rather than ROM , then wait the 6 months and see, that may save them 18 months waiting, as i'm afraid if they marry, the PR will be delayed due to changimng circumstance, to rule out a marriage of convenience

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 5:55 pm

The marriage of convenience is a red herring in this case. It wouldn't have any bearing as he here on his own merit on a S pass and not here on a SVP or LTVP.

Frankly, I would move up the ROM to an earlier days but not have the formal wedding ceremony until whenever it's auspicious. By doing the ROM now, their chances will be doubled of going through without any undue delay AND they could apply for the flat.
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Post by ecureilx » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 6:11 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.

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The OP is Singaporean, and his partner is S Pass, Malaysian. Then again, the regular rules that applies to everybody doesn't apply to Malaysians marrying Singaporeans ..

I too would see no reason what stops from marrying and applying PR.

As for LTVP/PR as given upon marriage, Singapore law is clear in that - You may apply for a LTVP for your spouse, and it will be considered - essentially committing that it is not a given, unlike some other countries..

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Post by JR8 » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 6:12 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.
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I'm confused. As I read it he (the OP) is SGn-Chinese, she is Malaysian-Chinese, and on an S-Pass.

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Post by Jawo » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 7:00 pm

Dear folks,

Thanks for so many feedback. really good info. actually im a male singapore citizen, my partner is a female Malaysian. cheers
Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.
i was thinking of this option as i was told by many ppl the PR chances will be double as well after we ROM, not sure if it is true and i did not thought of the marriage of convenience if it applys to us ?

If to apply PR first without ROM, what will be the chances of Success ? what do ICA base on for approval ?

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Post by ksl » Tue, 19 Apr 2011 7:26 pm

Jawo wrote:Dear folks,

Thanks for so many feedback. really good info. actually im a male singapore citizen, my partner is a female Malaysian. cheers
Nope. You don't need any permission from the MOM to get married. In fact, I would wait until you have ROM'd to apply for him to apply for PR. As he is currently here on an EP, his qualifications are already sussed out. By waiting until you ROM, he will then qualify for PR both ways, for the Professional Technical Scheme as well as the Family Ties Scheme. And, as mentioned, if he's Malaysian Chinese, it will probably be a shoe-in.
i was thinking of this option as i was told by many ppl the PR chances will be double as well after we ROM, not sure if it is true and i did not thought of the marriage of convenience if it applys to us ?

If to apply PR first without ROM, what will be the chances of Success ? what do ICA base on for approval ?
If she is elgible after 2 years which she is, and if the vetting clears her, and she is still within the quota for the year, there is no reason to refuse. However it will take 6 months, and the elections are over on the 7th of May, so my own opinion would be for her to submit for PR...I'm worried that is she gets married, her circumstances change and she may have to wait another two years. But a quick call to ICA should sort that out.

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