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Is it easier for Malaysians to get work pass?

Postby slayerk2000 » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:36 am

I noticed for some jobs posts, it says 'only Singaporean/PR/Malaysian need apply'

Do Malaysians have less hassle/need less paperwork to get employment passes? Or is it just a case of giving the neighbours a better chance? Or is it that they know language requirements are already met?

Just curious..

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:47 am

slayerk2000 wrote:I noticed for some jobs posts, it says 'only Singaporean/PR/Malaysian need apply'

Do Malaysians have less hassle/need less paperwork to get employment passes? Or is it just a case of giving the neighbours a better chance? Or is it that they know language requirements are already met?

Just curious..


Would it hurt if I asked you where you are from ?? :)

AS for the reasons, not less paper work - it is just that, if a Malaysian disappears, Singapore can locate him, thanks to the extreme close cooperation between Singapore and Malaysia ! Despite what they make other believe.

Ah well, the language thingy ? what are you on ??

And the main reason : The clincher : Malaysian's CPF Money is held until the retirement age, regardless whether he/she gives up his/her PR in Singapore .. so ??? :)

And after all, Malaysia is our closest neighbour .. and some of the wealth has to be shared with malaysia ..

And, oh, for Malaysians on Work Pass, the quota system is slightly skewed in favor of malaysians, and that helps Malaysians get passes here easily .. including for Supermarkets, Restaurents, and even computer shops .. essentially low skilled work ..

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Postby slayerk2000 » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:00 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Would it hurt if I asked you where you are from ?? :)
From Ireland, now in Singapore

AS for the reasons, not less paper work - it is just that, if a Malaysian disappears, Singapore can locate him, thanks to the extreme close cooperation between Singapore and Malaysia ! Despite what they make other believe.

Ah well, the language thingy ? what are you on ??

The fact that most Malaysians speak Chinese and English, and other languages would be a plus for most companies operating in Asia, right? With regard to what am I on?? ....my fifth beer :shock:

And the main reason : The clincher : Malaysian's CPF Money is held until the retirement age, regardless whether he/she gives up his/her PR in Singapore .. so ??? :)

And after all, Malaysia is our closest neighbour .. and some of the wealth has to be shared with malaysia ..

And, oh, for Malaysians on Work Pass, the quota system is slightly skewed in favor of malaysians, and that helps Malaysians get passes here easily .. including for Supermarkets, Restaurents, and even computer shops .. essentially low skilled work ..

The last three points answers my question fully, thanks!

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:10 pm

slayerk2000 wrote:The fact that most Malaysians speak Chinese and English, and other languages would be a plus for most companies operating in Asia, right? With regard to what am I on?? ....my fifth beer :shock:


Well, Chinese ?? :D :D Define Chinese ?? :D :D

Actually I have met enough Indians and Chinese from malaysia, who are fluent in Malay than their mother tongue, thanks to the Govt Bahasa policy ..

Well, the dialect works, for some jobs, but not all ..

> PS: I forgot to add probably the most important reason for Govt preferring Malaysians; Malaysians don't want to live here, with the COL, and will not become stuck in Singapore, unlike expats like you and me :D :D 90% or more of the Malaysians - including the 100,000 or so who commute daily from JB to Singapore .. would rather retire in Malaysia, than live in Singapore, and that goes for the low level wage earners, compared to employing low level wage earners from other countries, who don't want to leave Singapore :D :D Maybe I am wrong in that sense .. but ..
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HI

Postby calvink » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:10 pm

Hi,

Ohh..Thats something new that I didnt know. For Malaysians whos earning CPF....

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:19 pm

calvink wrote:Hi,

Ohh..Thats something new that I didnt know. For Malaysians whos earning CPF....


The CPF has been a point of contention between Singapore and Malaysia: when a Malaysian becomes PR here, he / she starts to pay CPF, and when he gives up his CPF, HE DOESN"T GET IT BACK, unlike other nationals .. the CPF is only paid back at the retirement age -regardless of any amount of crying or begging that the said individual will never come back to Singapore .. and all blah blah .. !

The malaysians claim that the Singaporeans are hording their CPF, and Singaporeans indirectly claim it has been the norm, since Singaporeans are under the same rule, if they work in Malaysia - not that there are even 1% of Singaporeans, as the equivalent of Malaysians, working in Malaysia ..

Maybe somebody more knowledgeable can enlighten us all .. :D

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Postby revhappy » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:37 pm

ecureilx wrote:Well, Chinese ?? :D :D Define Chinese ?? :D :D

Actually I have met enough Indians and Chinese from malaysia, who are fluent in Malay than their mother tongue, thanks to the Govt Bahasa policy ..


With the limited exposure that I have had with Malaysians in Malaysia, I came across lots of Indians there speaking in chinese(or Mandarin?) to the chinese. For example a chinese worker and an Indian worker conversing in Chinese. Indian hotel staff conversing in chinese with chinese guests. Not sure if thats an exception or a norm.

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Re: Is it easier for Malaysians to get work pass?

Postby slayerk2000 » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:42 pm

ecureilx wrote:Well, Chinese ?? :D :D Define Chinese ?? :D :D

Actually I have met enough Indians and Chinese from malaysia, who are fluent in Malay than their mother tongue, thanks to the Govt Bahasa policy ..

Well, the dialect works, for some jobs, but not all ..

> PS: I forgot to add probably the most important reason for Govt preferring Malaysians; Malaysians don't want to live here, with the COL, and will not become stuck in Singapore, unlike expats like you and me :D :D 90% or more of the Malaysians - including the 100,000 or so who commute daily from JB to Singapore .. would rather retire in Malaysia, than live in Singapore, and that goes for the low level wage earners, compared to employing low level wage earners from other countries, who don't want to leave Singapore :D :D Maybe I am wrong in that sense .. but ..


The official Chinese that's used here is Mandarin correct? Thus, Chinese from Malaysia would have the natural advantage from a language perspective, over say, Chinese from China who don't generally have the English language as a base.

Your 'stuck in Singapore' angle is interesting, but I think Singapore isn't the ideal destination for anyone to retire to, let alone Malaysians. But it does lead me to think- will the children of those Malaysians who work in Singapore be brought up through the Singapore system? Or is the education system too expensive for them? if they go go through the Singapore system (essentially becoming Singaporeans), this policy can only last for one generation..

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 2:57 pm

slayerk2000 wrote:The official Chinese that's used here is Mandarin correct? Thus, Chinese from Malaysia would have the natural advantage from a language perspective, over say, Chinese from China who don't generally have the English language as a base.


Well, officially ... and officially .. but, majority speaks hokkein, little Canto, and a lot of Hakka and what not .. especially the older generations ..

Your 'stuck in Singapore' angle is interesting, but I think Singapore isn't the ideal destination for anyone to retire to, let alone Malaysians. But it does lead me to think- will the children of those Malaysians who work in Singapore be brought up through the Singapore system? Or is the education system too expensive for them? if they go go through the Singapore system (essentially becoming Singaporeans), this policy can only last for one generation..


Well, to be honest, while a lot say Singapore is not the best place, for some of us (including me) we think it is the best place - for various reasons unprintable :D :D

A lot of Malayisans, especially from Johore - send their kids to study here, and if i am not mistaken, a lot of the Royal family visit Singapore more than they visit KL ..

And to make matters complicated, the University grading system, of NUS and UM are synchronised, when announcing results, atleast in Medicine ... sort of a combined ranking ..

PS: the malaysians who can afford to send their kids are not poor, per se- I know a lot of Malaysians, through my Rotary work before, where the kids get their own chauffeur driven car to be dropped at RI and picked up .. and the loads who go to the International Schools here - yes, they are a minority, but they are rich enough ..

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Postby calvink » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 3:55 pm

What is the retirement age in Sg to officially withdraw and close CPF account..lol...

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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 5:04 pm

calvink wrote:What is the retirement age in Sg to officially withdraw and close CPF account..lol...


A true Singaporean will know .. I guess ..

AS for withdrawing all CPF - I think that options just evaporated ..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 5:09 pm

When you die.

You get to take a chunk out when you turn 55, but you now have to leave a minimum sum (around 75K or 140K of it in the Special account where you can start drawing it down at a reduced rate at 62 and full rate at 65 or 70. It is supposed to last you around 20 years but you cannot withdraw and close the account unless you give up your citizenship or PR. At that point you can withdraw ALL of it including everything in the Medisave account (that would be currently a maximum of 39,500).

Best think is to have a read through the FAQ's on the CPF site:

http://ask-us.cpf.gov.sg/explorefaq.asp

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Re: Is it easier for Malaysians to get work pass?

Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 6:50 pm

ecureilx wrote:
slayerk2000 wrote:The official Chinese that's used here is Mandarin correct? Thus, Chinese from Malaysia would have the natural advantage from a language perspective, over say, Chinese from China who don't generally have the English language as a base.


Well, officially ... and officially .. but, majority speaks hokkein, little Canto, and a lot of Hakka and what not .. especially the older generations ..


I will refine your search. If they comes from Johore and Malacca State, most of them speaks Hokkien. KL, Perak, Chinese Cantonese but Penang Chinese speaks Hokkien due to their early ties with Taiwan
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Postby slayerk2000 » Fri, 15 Apr 2011 7:00 pm

But Mandarin is still the Chinese language common across the board. Almost all Malaysians who speak Hokkien, Hakka, speak Mandarin also.

This is evidenced by Chinese TV shows being in Mandarin in Singapore. As far as I know there aren't any Hokkien only channels or Hakka only channels. It is also the reason why Taiwan TV shows are so popular here, they are in Mandarin by default.

Back to my original point, I thought job sites advertised 'PR/SG/Malaysians only' only because Malaysians knew the languages required by the company by default, but as Ecureilx pointed out, its probably because they can get employment passes easier.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 16 Apr 2011 2:27 am

slayerk2000 wrote:But Mandarin is still the Chinese language common across the board. Almost all Malaysians who speak Hokkien, Hakka, speak Mandarin also.

This is evidenced by Chinese TV shows being in Mandarin in Singapore. As far as I know there aren't any Hokkien only channels or Hakka only channels. It is also the reason why Taiwan TV shows are so popular here, they are in Mandarin by default.

Back to my original point, I thought job sites advertised 'PR/SG/Malaysians only' only because Malaysians knew the languages required by the company by default, but as Ecureilx pointed out, its probably because they can get employment passes easier.


Of course there is no dialect channel per se BUT there are dialects shows or movies shown on those channels and yes Mandarin is spoken and written language of Chinese but not all speaks and write Mandarin

For your questions yes if the person is Malaysian Chinese or Indian applying for EP, it much easier to get it. For Malaysian Malay most of them are production operators which are holding WP, very few holds EP passes.

For the CPF issue if you are Malaysian PR and leaving Singapore and West Malaysia , yes , you can withdraw your CPF monies.
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